Disney Replaces Longtime IT Staff With H-1B Workers

[melodramocracy]

Welcome to US capitalism.

[Fugus]

I agree, I also agree with the standard of nothing under 50%. The sad thing is in this country is that these guys are so called living the dream. Excep most of them are so stressed out from work, loans and regular life, a lot of even people like this are just Eeeking by.

We have to work it out in this country that it balances out better. And I don't mean paying people who do get to making a decent wage they only make enough disposable income to make their economic slavery a bit more comfortable. People at a certain point should make enough to own property, not a bank and before they turn too old or sick to enjoy it. Have enough savings to alright.

But I'm guessing not even these guys are in that position which sucks and sends a message to anybody else working up. And visa workers they are just going to be brought in and fucked over too.

I am honestly wondering how bad things are going to get before the government has no choice but to either do something, collapse economically, or have massive riots where we effectively kill the rich before things change. As it stands, wages are stagnant and actually dropping for many after you take hours into account, social mobility is dead, actual employment at livable wages is dying worse by the day.

I mean seriously, what do they plan to do as the actual unemployment drops further and there really are no jobs to go around. Not even talking Visa's replacing us at this point as Automation is working it's way in to replace them as well. Wondering what they are going to do when upwards of 50%+ are either unemployed or working for wages so low they might as well be.

[Kasierith]

I've always been a nationalist. When a company makes a move, when a politicians push a law, the people who should benefit first and foremost should be Americans. Foreign countries can worry about their own people. I shouldn't have to be concerned with how well the Chinese are going to benefit from American labor laws, there is one, short answer to how much benefit they get: none.

America's policy in regards to specialized foreign labor is pretty distinct, and pro-American. It essentially gives incentives for the best available to come to the US, giving it access to the top resources from other countries... the reason why there's such a strong stereotype about intelligent Chinese and Indian people in the US. America's specialized labor force, particularly medical, is built on filling in the workflow with foreigners... otherwise, well, even with the highest number of international nurses residents and doctors working on foreign visas ever, the US is still in a shortage of physicians and nurses.

In other words, American professional schools can't keep up with the population's expanding needs, so importing as a whole is necessary.

In this case, I'm leaning more towards some dubiousness as to allegations that it was based purely on cost. Disney's business model is very task oriented and focused on efficiency within the work place, focused on long-term goals as opposed to immediate shareholder portfolios... they aren't as likely to make decisions based entirely on the profit margin like the generic corporation. Especially since last I checked they're in a good place financially (http://seekingalpha.com/article/1737...cial-condition), meaning their primary focuses are going to center on operating efficiency and established objectives. It's really, really easy to say "corporation is evil, press evil button and evil things happen," but from a management perspective this really doesn't look like a profit-driven decision.

[Gheld]

Better not go to any Marvel Movies, Starwars or anything related to Disney(Kingdom Hearts related stuff to)

That's really the crux of the issue. People have become so ridiculously hardwired to consume mindless entertainment and processed foods that there's no such thing as a boycott anymore. There is no corporate ethics because the percentage of the population with enough self control to enforce corporate ethics is probably down to less than 1%

[Kuntantee]

Having worked in Corporate IT for a loooooong time. I can honestly say that the Visa workers that are brought in generally have half the skillset the people they're replacing have; not to mention serious language barrier issues.

I'm not saying that to be racist, I'm saying it because it's what I have personally experienced in my time working IT at a multi-billion dollar Corporate HQ. While I was there there was a layoff of over 1000 people; most of those positions replaced in a week by H-1B holders.

I thought you need to be really good to get H-1B visa.

On topic, this is the capitalism USA always wanted.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I am honestly wondering how bad things are going to get before the government has no choice but to either do something, collapse economically, or have massive riots where we effectively kill the rich before things change. As it stands, wages are stagnant and actually dropping for many after you take hours into account, social mobility is dead, actual employment at livable wages is dying worse by the day.

I mean seriously, what do they plan to do as the actual unemployment drops further and there really are no jobs to go around. Not even talking Visa's replacing us at this point as Automation is working it's way in to replace them as well. Wondering what they are going to do when upwards of 50%+ are either unemployed or working for wages so low they might as well be.

I think you pretty much nailed it. I think it has to be about more than just the bottom line. Because "that's just how it is" or "you just have to jump through these hoops" isn't good enough.

[Louisa Bannon]

People can't be paid a decent wage because Disney's 1% are Masters of the Universe and everyone else is just a worker, a replaceable cog in the great machine of commerce.

[spanishninja]

Funny how all the liberals are pro-immigration only as long as their white collar jobs arent threatened.

[Repefe]

When I read the title I assumed that H-1B worker is a robot, now I am disappointed

[Flutterguy]

The key part of this is that they are contractors, not official Disney employees. This is not just a wage savings, Disney doesn't have to cover their health insurance because contractors are self employed as far as taxation is concerned.

The exact thing that Obama promised wouldn't happen is happening. It happened to me when I got laid off and replaced with overseas contracted labor.

[Nadiru]

In this case, I'm leaning more towards some dubiousness as to allegations that it was based purely on cost. Disney's business model is very task oriented and focused on efficiency within the work place, focused on long-term goals as opposed to immediate shareholder portfolios... they aren't as likely to make decisions based entirely on the profit margin like the generic corporation. Especially since last I checked they're in a good place financially (http://seekingalpha.com/article/1737...cial-condition), meaning their primary focuses are going to center on operating efficiency and established objectives. It's really, really easy to say "corporation is evil, press evil button and evil things happen," but from a management perspective this really doesn't look like a profit-driven decision.

I'm not entirely sure that replacing native English-speakers with non-native English speakers for a role that necessarily involves speaking English is, objectively speaking, a move that improves efficiency in the workplace.

[Deleted]

not sure how it works now as I havent used the system for nearly 10 years. I can't be arsed to look it up either.

Here is why the H1B cannot have the wage balahblablabalablah 125% blah clauses.

The whole system works (or at least used to, very surprised if it does not still) by you showing you cannot recruit domestically by going through a couple of recruitment cycles, documenting applicants and interviewees with no suitable candidate.

You bump the money up at which you can get "A DUDE" who is a national and you are in most cases robbing peter to pay paul as another employer loses someone highly qualified. Many of the times your cycle will fail because you won't pay enough to get someone to move jobs becuase of 'murican freedom! yeee haw (servitude via benefits and vacations).

All the proposal would in effect do is create massive pay inflation and no more highly skilled worlers.

edit: just to clarify when I wrote "the whole system" I meant all the different visas. My experience was that an employer that does this often has or contracts a specialist to deal with all the eventualities. Confusingly one set of visas requires Labor Certification Application and one requires a Labor Condition Application. The net result though is that if they really really need you they will go to the more complex route if needed though my experience was that they will often go for the cap exempt H1B routes if they can at all tie into it.

[Acidbaron]

Outsourcing your IT, trust me we don't need to punish them they'll receive plenty of punishment themselves, why something doesn't work, why code and scripts don't work properly or do things they shouldn't or continue to run.

It costs less but the time and money spend to fix everything will make the costs almost equal but you get a bad network structure as result.

Can't wait for the first security mix up, if i was an ITer and bound to be fired i would've left some nice presents. (cough ghost domain cough) have fun fixing that new folk! (when you actually notice it)

[Valerean]

Now can you imagine the shit-storm if this was Koch Industries...

[Logwyn]

People can't be paid a decent wage because Disney's 1% are Masters of the Universe and everyone else is just a worker, a replaceable cog in the great machine of commerce.

Is why up coming generations don't have much loyalty for the companies that are worked for. You work your butt off and then just get thrown out with the trash just because of profit margins or other such things.

[Acidbaron]

Is why up coming generations don't have much loyalty for the companies that are worked for. You work your butt off and then just get thrown out with the trash just because of profit margins or other such things.

That's been the case for as long i can remember even when my dad worked still, as long you're productive and useful you're a top guy the second you aren't fully anymore you're not.

I worked 80 hours a week at times and i couldn't make one saturday with my last employer since he asked at the very last moment on a friday while he knew in advance and suddenly "i could and never wanted to do any overtime".

Company loyalty is something people should never believe in, they are your pay check not your family.

[obdigore]

Having worked in Corporate IT for a loooooong time. I can honestly say that the Visa workers that are brought in generally have half the skillset the people they're replacing have; not to mention serious language barrier issues.

I would agree with this. Many of them learn on the job very well and get along, but once they have that all figured out they go somewhere else where they aren't paid shit for the same job.

The ones who stay are generally the ones who are barely getting along (of course this applies to US born and bred IT workers too).

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Outsourcing your IT, trust me we don't need to punish them they'll receive plenty of punishment themselves, why something doesn't work, why code and scripts don't work properly or do things they shouldn't or continue to run.

It costs less but the time and money spend to fix everything will make the costs almost equal but you get a bad network structure as result.

Can't wait for the first security mix up, if i was an ITer and bound to be fired i would've left some nice presents. (cough ghost domain cough) have fun fixing that new folk! (when you actually notice it)

Oh please there is so much more you can do.

Setup a script that runs as a service account that restarts a random production server every 42 minutes.

Have a job run every night that randomly deletes one object from AD.

If you still have 2003 servers, corrupting the local cert cache is annoyingly easy, and guess what doesn't run when that is corrupted...

[Xilurm]

Better not go to any Marvel Movies, Starwars or anything related to Disney(Kingdom Hearts related stuff to)

Nothing we can do about it really. They basically own the movie audience.

They knew this would happen all along. IT WAS A TRAP!

Oh and, Disney doesn't give a single fuck about KH...

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When I read the title I assumed that H-1B worker is a robot, now I am disappointed

Same here. Now that I googled it sounds kinda sad. It sounds like aids tbh which is kinda fucked up.

[Illuminance]

When I read the title I assumed that H-1B worker is a robot, now I am disappointed

When you meet them IRL you will have a hard time telling the difference

[Kasierith]

People can't be paid a decent wage because Disney's 1% are Masters of the Universe and everyone else is just a worker, a replaceable cog in the great machine of commerce.

Considering the ease of making small businesses into corporations in the US leading to numerous small corporations with resulting small CEO's, I'm fairly skeptical of this graph without a source to study methodology attached.

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I'm not entirely sure that replacing native English-speakers with non-native English speakers for a role that necessarily involves speaking English is, objectively speaking, a move that improves efficiency in the workplace.

1) how do you know the replacements were stereotypes with poor English skills with barely any capacity to communicate? That's just a silly notion.
2) Disney is far more likely to fire someone for not getting on board with a company direction than to protect its very well buffered bottom line.

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Outsourcing your IT

Why would they need an H1B to work from India?