Pope says many powerful people don't want peace (GGT)

[ringpriest]

Kinda reminds me of this


-President Eisenhower

It also reminds me of Smedley Butler's quote,

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

[Lolretadin]

'progress' is not achieved because somehow war is a boon to creativity or invention, it is because you have a temporary removal of the economic forces that usually block progress out of their own greedy interests.

I was more going for the threat of destruction and fear are the most potent motivators of humanity.

[Mayhem]

And the church don't want the world to become atheistic, because that will lose them money and power. Sorry, it is a good message that he delivers, but it sort of loses its hard hitting criticism, when it is coming from the church.

Though, still a swell guy and a good message.

And you don´t see a difference there? Good for you.

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I was more going for the threat of destruction and fear are the most potent motivators of humanity.

Yeah, he´s right though and you´re not. Or are you seeing much inventions coming out of sierra leoné or afghanistan?

[Johnkie]

So yeah lets say i have alot of stocks in a company that makes millitary supplies... Millitary vehicles... Entreprenour company that might be rebuilding w/e war has struck, lets say im on the Board of red cross... And i need to hire a company to rebuild, lets say Tahiti after the earthquake...
I think imma hire my own entreprenour company, or my friends who cares...
Finally lets say i also own a bank, or banks, or atleast know some or have stocks in them...
So lets borrow a nation money so they can buy arms, foods and equipment from our companies...
Its a pyramid scheme in its most basic form... KINDA HAVE BEEN LIKE THAT FOR LIKE 200 years...

Naturally after free market it became way way way worse.

[Deleted]

And you don´t see a difference there? Good for you.

Between warmongers and the church?

[Mayhem]

Between warmongers and the church?

Yes. And just for the fun of it, let´s stay in the current century.

[Deleted]

There's people making assloads of money from disarmament, green tech, conservation and veganism, too. What, exactly, is the point here?

Are they equivalent to around 1.2 trillion dollars that is being spent this year in armaments by the top 15 spenders in the world? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_expenditures )

[padie]

Someone might wanna remind the pope that somewhere in the bible there is a line with something something first stone. He should look it up

[Deleted]

Yes. And just for the fun of it, let´s stay in the current century.

Oh I absolutely do see a difference, a major one at that. But the church certainly isn't perfect, which to some extend will have some devaluation to its messages, if it itself falls under them to some degree.

[Mayhem]

Oh I absolutely do see a difference, a major one at that. But the church certainly isn't perfect, which to some extend will have some devaluation to its messages, if it itself falls them under to some degree.

Nothing is perfect, doesn´t make his saying invalid. He also didn´t compare it to the church and told everyone "take us as an example" ...

[Deleted]

Nothing is perfect, doesn´t make his saying invalid. He also didn´t compare it to the church and told everyone "take us as an example" ...

Did I say it made it an invalid messages? No, I said it devalued it somewhat, surely that should be a fair notion.

[padie]

Nothing is perfect, doesn't make his saying invalid. He also didn't compare it to the church and told everyone "take us as an example" ...

The Church ALWAYS says follow our example... If you don't you commit a sin.
One might also wonder the pope his motivation to say those things.

[Dispraise]

Are they equivalent to around 1.2 trillion dollars that is being spent this year in armaments by the top 15 spenders in the world? ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_expenditures )

You've missed the thrust of my statement entirely.

[GennGreymane]

I think this pope is actually trying to get assassinated.

But then he will be a saint

[Deleted]

The Pope is powerfull himself so I take his word for it.

[Meestercat]

Yeah, he´s right though and you´re not. Or are you seeing much inventions coming out of sierra leoné or afghanistan?

I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and say that Sierra Leone or Afghanistan don't have an established R&D infrastructure.

[Maxilian]

I think this pope is actually trying to get assassinated.

These won't really get him assassinated, cause... well even if people don't want to talk about these, they all know that

[Yvaelle]

Francis is awesome - he's like the High Sparrow of Earth. It's strange to think (while I am an atheist) that if I were to choose an Abrahamic religion (to rule out the cool ones with lightning gods and such) I would likely choose Catholicism: sold in no small part by my respect for Pope Francis.

[Deleted]

Francis is awesome - he's like the High Sparrow of Earth. It's strange to think (while I am an atheist) that if I were to choose an Abrahamic religion (to rule out the cool ones with lightning gods and such) I would likely choose Catholicism: sold in no small part by my respect for Pope Francis.

You mean the violent prosecution of homosexuals?

[Peso]

The people that aren't asleep already know this. What's new?