Dual Wield in 6.2

[AlmightyGerkin]

With frost spec getting a buff to its abilities I.E Obliterate and Howling blast. Do you think Dual wield will be viable again in the new patch?

[imeddie]

will still be at the bottem of the 3 dps specs

[Exerionx]

will still be at the bottem of the 3 dps specs

Disappointing imo, I prefer it to UNH and 2H Frost.

[jokre33]

will still be at the bottem of the 3 dps specs

my simulation suggest the opposite... at least for 700ilvl brf gear (the 3 in simcraft included profiles)

i'd link a screenshot or the whole simulation but haven't posted here so far...
these are pure single target number with a fight lenght of 270-330 seconds and ~10k iterations

DW Frost ~ 59 468
2H Frost ~ 56 239
Unholy ~ 48 201

for a cleave scenario unholy would probably overtake 2H Frost but DW seems pretty strong after the Howling Blast aoe buff

[drdood]

sims done by skullflower


https://twitter.com/skullflowerdk?lang=en-gb

[psyquest]

Anyone knows an up to date frost DW guide?
edit found it:

http://summonstone.com/deathknight/frost/#patch62

[Sanore]

I think summonstone has one, and theirs always icy viens

[Sunnydee]

theirs always icy viens

[Ragnirok]

I don't think the Summonstone guide is up to date with the latest sims with the HB revert and passive changes.

[Phanuel]

Then where does one go? There's nothing here.

And playing the spec as designed for DW, i.e. using Obliterate as much as possible and trying to use KM on FS doesn't work at all compared to spamming HB...

[Sunnydee]

Then where does one go? There's nothing here.

beacuse it aint live yet?
i can promise you that summonstone will have a guide up when last build is up.

[Phanuel]

beacuse it aint live yet?
i can promise you that summonstone will have a guide up when last build is up.

Now you're just being obtuse to be pointlessly obtuse.

You still haven't pointed to any sort of guide. There's literally nothing here about Frost and you're calling Icy out as not a trusted source.


So again, where do I go for Frost rotations/help/etc? Doesn't even have to be 6.2.

[Zanzz]

Summon stone dude. Everyone has been saying it. Icy veins hasn't been relevant in years.

[Schizoide]

http://www.wowhead.com/guides/classe...h-knight/frost

Magdalena's guides are the best, as they are correct and good advice in every particular. Skullflower's guides are technically correct but he advocates waiting for KM and using a swingtimer, which is poor advice for most people-- certainly almost all people needing a guide! Mag's frost guide isn't updated for 6.2 yet obviously, but he correctly details the masterfrost priority. Talents in 6.2 will be PL/Defile or PL/NP. Defile is not a sizable gain (~1-2%) and you lose if the boss moves out of your defile.

[Zanzz]

http://www.wowhead.com/guides/classe...h-knight/frost

Magdalena's guides are the best, as they are correct and good advice in every particular. Skullflower's guides are technically correct but he advocates waiting for KM and using a swingtimer, which is poor advice for most people-- certainly almost all people needing a guide! Mag's frost guide isn't updated for 6.2 yet obviously, but he correctly details the masterfrost priority. Talents in 6.2 will be PL/NP. You can go PL/Defile on single-targets if you really want to optimize, but it's not a sizable gain and you lose if the boss moves out of your defile.

I didn't think PL/NP beat out PL/Def for aoe? Has Mag posted sims to compare to skullflower's?

[Schizoide]

No, I think I just read skullflower's results wrong. I just ran my own sims.

So Defile is a slight DPS gain in both 1 and 3 targets, but this assumes the mobs don't move out of the black smoke. It's also burstier; if the targets will live 10s but not 30s, Defile will win by a large margin.

Unholy presence is a loss for DW, as expected.

I like Necrotic Plague like this. It's completely passive, so it should deal less damage than Defile. But it's competitive now, and a valid choice. Pity BoS is a dps loss versus no L100 talent at all.

Set bonuses and the archimonde trinket will change all this of course.

6.1
T17H, PL/Def: 42410 DPS

6.2
T17H, 1 target PL/Def: 47946 DPS
T17H, 1 target PL/Def, UP: 41452 DPS
T17H, 1 target PL/NP, FP: 47366 DPS (-1.2% from PL/Def)
T17H, 1 target PL/NP, UP: 40447 DPS

6.2, 3 target sustained AE
T17H, 3 target PL/Def, FP: 70563 DPS
T17H, 3 target PL/NP, FP: 69028 DPS (-2.2%)

For those interested in duplicating my results, here are the overrides.

ptr=1
# Frost Strike +100% dmg from ToT
override.spell_data=effect.129334.base_value=100
# HB to 100% cleave
override.spell_data=effect.41295.base_value=100

[Zanzz]

I think it will be Interesting to see how this haste frost does with the Archie trinket. I just get a feeling that if DW has the trinket and obliterate was used as 2h does, it might be competitive. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

[Schizoide]

I think it will be Interesting to see how this haste frost does with the Archie trinket. I just get a feeling that if DW has the trinket and obliterate was used as 2h does, it might be competitive. Maybe it's just wishful thinking.

Ooooh. That's a very good point!

Once you get the trinket, DW will definitely go hastefrost against single targets. That's actually an interesting gameplay switch-up-- I wonder if the devs designed it that way or this is an emergent property we just collectively discovered in this thread?

[Zanzz]

Couldn't tell you but everything I've read/heard is that oblit hits like a truck with the frost damage. I'd imagine with DW'smastery focus that the numbers would be even bigger than previously thought?

[Schizoide]

Well no, because DW doesn't get +50% damage baseline to Obliterate and +35% to all melee damage from MotFW. DW is about lots of smaller hits. But the trinket will certainly be enough for hastefrost to overtake masterfrost on single targets.