Calling the help of the MMO-Champion community.

[Independent voter]

Don't it seem like we're asking too much of police, these are guys without college level diplomas for the most part. They got to be doctors, psychologists, lawyers?

[Gorgodeus]

Don't it seem like we're asking too much of police, these are guys without college level diplomas for the most part. They got to be doctors, psychologists, lawyers?

What? The vast majority of police dep'ts require a college degree. In fact, most of the larger ones will send you to college and pay for it.

[Wildtree]

This is a sad story..... But you have to blame SCOTUS, not the police

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Which raises the question..... why the fuck do we have em then?

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This is a sad story..... But you have to blame SCOTUS, not the police

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Which raises the question..... why the fuck do we have em then?

to enforce law and order maybe...

[lockedout]

Police are trained to recognize the taletell signs of abuse. But sometimes those "signs" are not as clear as others and even being trained to recognize them can fail in certain situations.

I won't be signing that. Sad story, but they are looking for someone to blame.

I agree.

"All this because they couldn't do the job we pay them to do through our tax money - serve and protect. "

People get the bolded part confused. They're job is not to serve and protect citizens.

[Piglord]

I agree.

"All this because they couldn't do the job we pay them to do through our tax money - serve and protect. "

People get the bolded part confused. They're job is not to serve and protect citizens.

People also tend to not realize that "serve and protect" isn't a law at all. It is the motto of the LAPD and was made popular by television shows like Dragnet. Now everyone thinks it applies to everyone.

[Wildtree]

to enforce law and order maybe...

which starts with crime prevention in the first place, wouldn't it?

I really have no knowledge of any other country on the planet where the police has such a free pass on that task. In any other country I've been, when I feel threatened, I can call the cops and they will show up to make sure nothing happens...

[Evolixe]

There are a lot of mixed responses around here. Some more direct and to the point than others that show a bit more emotion and understanding.

OP, I understand what you came here to do. The problem is that while I think most of us agree that something should be done here.. the police would simply be understaffed and underfunded to escort every person who even "thinks" they need this sort of protection. The fact that this turned into a tragedy is a rare occurrence.


Don't get me wrong, I do believe something should be done. Because this should never be allowed to happen. However the police is not to blame.

[Wildtree]

There are a lot of mixed responses around here. Some more direct and to the point than others that show a bit more emotion and understanding.

OP, I understand what you came here to do. The problem is that while I think most of us agree that something should be done here.. the police would simply be understaffed and underfunded to escort every person who even "thinks" they need this sort of protection. The fact that this turned into a tragedy is a rare occurrence.


Don't get me wrong, I do believe something should be done. Because this should never be allowed to happen. However the police is not to blame.

They don't need to assume the task of a bodyguard. It is in almost all situations already enough to see the police just to show up, to stop by, and if it's only a minute or two.
That has enough impact to keep things usually in check. It's the sole reason why we have police cars patrolling our streets... To show presence, and to deter crime from happening.

[lockedout]

which starts with crime prevention in the first place, wouldn't it?

I really have no knowledge of any other country on the planet where the police has such a free pass on that task. In any other country I've been, when I feel threatened, I can call the cops and they will show up to make sure nothing happens...

If no crime is committed then it would be a waste of time. If the cops had to come hold your hand everytime you or anyone else felt threatened then they wouldn't be able to arrest criminals.

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It's the sole reason why we have police cars patrolling our streets... To show presence, and to deter crime from happening.

That's not entirely true, they also look for crimes in progress.

[Wildtree]

If no crime is committed then it would be a waste of time. If the cops had to come hold your hand everytime you or anyone else felt threatened then they wouldn't be able to arrest criminals.

That's an irrelevant argument, because it's really ONLY in the US where the police doesn't have to show up...
Oddly enough everywhere else they do, everywhere else it works.

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That's not entirely true, they also look for crimes in progress.

Catching crime in progress is kind of like a small lottery win. Yet that's of course also part of their job. But generally it's what I said. Primarily crime prevention due to presence.

[lockedout]

That's an irrelevant argument, because it's really ONLY in the US where the police doesn't have to show up...
Oddly enough everywhere else they do, everywhere else it works.

They show up when a crime is committed, what other reason would they show up for? I mean that is their job.

[XDurionX]

This could´ve been avoided if everyone had a gun. Oh sorry, i messed that up. This could´ve been avoided if nobody had a gun.

Where´s the petition on banning guns? I might sign that.

[Wildtree]

They show up when a crime is committed, what other reason would they show up for? I mean that is their job.

Again.......
In the entirety of Europe I can pick up my phone, call the police and tell them, that I am afraid of that person over there..... Or that I am worried my Ex is going to attack me, when I go to pick up my stuff, and they will show up. There is no question about that. Because prevention of possible crime is the number one priority of the police.
When there is no crime, there is automatically law and order ensured.

[lockedout]

This could´ve been avoided if everyone had a gun. Oh sorry, i messed that up. This could´ve been avoided if nobody had a gun.

Where´s the petition on banning guns? I might sign that.

Really? This man obviously wanted to kill her. So you're saying if there was no gun he couldn't have used any other means to kill her?

[vindicatorx]

Yeah I'm sorry but I will also not be signing this. When she contacted the police she should have made it very clear she felt there would be trouble. Police are not generally going to escort unless you make them think there is a viable threat. The thing I'm not seeing here is if there was a restraining order on him or not. If there was the police would probably have been more likely to escort. I'm sorry these people died but you can't place blame on the police for this.

[lockedout]

Again.......
In the entirety of Europe I can pick up my phone, call the police and tell them, that I am afraid of that person over there..... Or that I am worried my Ex is going to attack me, when I go to pick up my stuff, and they will show up. There is no question about that. Because prevention of possible crime is the number one priority of the police.
When there is no crime, there is automatically law and order ensured.

So you're comparing apples to oranges? Europe obviously has different laws. Why didn't this woman file for a restraining order?

[Wildtree]

Really? This man obviously wanted to kill her. So you're saying if there was no gun he couldn't have used any other means to kill her?

He killed two women and himself...... he could have done that with a knife too.... Yet certainly not that easy, and maybe at least one of them could have gotten away..... it takes a little bit to stab one person to death.... Gives the second person ample reaction time.

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So you're comparing apples to oranges? Europe obviously has different laws. Why didn't this woman file for a restraining order?

What good would a restraining order do?
She went to him, not he went to her......
And no, I am not comparing apples and oranges.... I don't blame the police. I blame the idiotic SCOTUS.

[kaib]

and this entirely not related to living in a country where every idiot can walk in a store and buy a gun? nah, that can't be the problem. nope.

[lockedout]

He killed two women and himself...... he could have done that with a knife too.... Yet certainly not that easy, and maybe at least one of them could have gotten away..... it takes a little bit to stab one person to death.... Gives the second person ample reaction time.

Sure it was just an example, it's not the only other way. Bludgeon, arson, bomb etc.

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He killed two women and himself...... he could have done that with a knife too.... Yet certainly not that easy, and maybe at least one of them could have gotten away..... it takes a little bit to stab one person to death.... Gives the second person ample reaction time.

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What good would a restraining order do?
She went to him, not he went to her......

If there was a restraining order then the police have to accompany you to retrieve your belongings.