White Gunmen Shoots Up A Charleston, South Carolina Church

[Merkava]

This is typically what you get when you condone racism, that is why some countries have anti-racism laws.

How do you make an idea illegal?

[Tierbook]

How do you make an idea illegal?

It's not so much the idea as it is arresting people for tweets and facebook posts

[Charge me Doctor]

If You're white. You can go ANYWHERE you want in most places. And black people are the most open and forgiving people around. Me personally i want more segregation. The black community did better when it didn't really interact with whites that much. It was a good trick really. When you make black people believe white man's water is sweeter. But your idea is in a way "just".

I knew some Kenyan students, they weren't very pleasant people. I guess it's just personal experience then.

[Doctor Amadeus]

We didn't even make it a full page before this thread devolved into garbage.

And this comment reminds me of the thread going on about people telling other people to Smile even though they don't feel like it HAHA!

[Kaleredar]

It's weird that both sides of this race crap have devolved so much, that a thread about 9 people being killed immediately becomes about racial issues in America.

What, do we need people repeating that nine people being killed is a bad thing? Of course it's a bad thing. It's an awful thing. Is anyone not saying that? It'd take the most dickweed angsthiest (because it was "a church") or racist white trash (because the victims were black) to not think such. And hopefully MMO champion is free of both those groups of people.



But it's not "out of the realm of possibility" that this was a racially motivated crime.


Racist people still exist. Crazy people still exist. Those two groups of people aren't mutually exclusive sets. So it stands to reason that this may indeed be a racist crazy person. But crazy people, and racist people, don't necessarily become that way in a vacuum. Which is why it's an issue.

[Crissi]

You write a law that declares it illegal.

I don't think you asked the right question.

Well firts you would need to re-write the 1st amendment to exclude hate speech...

[Merkava]

It's not so much the idea as it is arresting people for tweets and facebook posts

So taking action that violates an individual's constitutional rights?

[Vanyali]

i'll explain it to you. Its been less than a century since the south was desegregated. in all those many years prior, communities were segregrated. The coloured folk lived in one part of town, the white people in another.
when the laws forbidding segregation were removed, people didn't see much reason to move out of the established communities, nevermind that racist violence was still rampant for decades after. the communities also had very different styles of worship, so people raised in one style preferred to stick with a church that had the style they were used to. nothing explicitly forbids anyone from going to another church except personal preference.

i did an anthropology video on a black church.. holy shit, if that was church i'd probably actually have gone as kid. completely different style, tone, and approach.

[tumppu]

Why make this a race thing at all? "A man went to a church and opened fire. There were 9 fatalities. The perpetrator, who is still at large, is male, caucasian, in their 20s blah blah".

Unless they catch the guy alive (seems to rarely happen) and he himself says he went specifically to that church to shoot black people, there is really no reason to say skin color was relevant. Or was he heard shouting white power or something?

[Tierbook]

If You're white. You can go ANYWHERE you want in most places. And black people are the most open and forgiving people around. Me personally i want more segregation. The black community did better when it didn't really interact with whites that much. It was a good trick really. When you make black people believe white man's water is sweeter. But your idea is in a way "just".

There are plenty of areas like that in the rural south that are predominately black.

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So taking action that violates an individual's constitutional rights?

Well this is Europe he's talking about.

[Deleted]

black church sounds like it's some sort of devil worshipping house of the unholy

[Charge me Doctor]

i'll explain it to you. Its been less than a century since the south was desegregated. in all those many years prior, communities were segregrated. The coloured folk lived in one part of town, the white people in another.
when the laws forbidding segregation were removed, people didn't see much reason to move out of the established communities, nevermind that racist violence was still rampant for decades after. the communities also had very different styles of worship, so people raised in one style preferred to stick with a church that had the style they were used to. nothing explicitly forbids anyone from going to another church except personal preference.

That's understandable, thanks for explanation, things always go by the path of least resistance without force of some sort applied. But do you think that segregation (even when not enforced by law, but by simple thought that it's better to keep the way it always been) is not part of a racism problem? I think that people should be educated and the "line" between "our established community" and "their established community" completely washed out, and existence of "black churches" and "white churches" only "provoke" (i know it's wrong word to use) the race-based violence, like in the OP case. If it wasn't a "black church", what chances that this guy would go into "regular-multi-coloured" church and shoot people?

[Tierbook]

black church sounds like it's some sort of devil worshipping house of the unholy

That's the Black Sacrament

[Merkava]

You write a law that declares it illegal.

I don't think you asked the right question.

How do you pass an unconstitutional law?

[Merkava]

Well this is Europe he's talking about.

Ah ok. Well that's something to be thankful for. Thanks for the clarification.

[Tierbook]

How do you pass an unconstitutional law?

It's not that hard, it happens all the time. The question is how long will an unconstitutional law stick around before the Supreme Court gets rid of it.

[starlord]

i did an anthropology video on a black church.. holy shit, if that was church i'd probably actually have gone as kid. completely different style, tone, and approach.

i know, right?

it makes this event all the worse imo.

[Kaleredar]

Why make this a race thing at all? "A man went to a church and opened fire. There were 9 fatalities. The perpetrator, who is still at large, is male, caucasian, in their 20s blah blah".

Unless they catch the guy alive (seems to rarely happen) and he himself says he went specifically to that church to shoot black people, there is really no reason to say skin color was relevant. Or was he heard shouting white power or something?

Well you see people shooting up churches isn't something that normally happens. And seeing as this specific church is a church known primarily for having African American members, it would be an odd set of coincidences.


Racism still exists... and it still exists in the south. Sadly, it's not gone and dead. And if we plug our ears and look over cases where racism might be at play, we miss opportunities to address the roots of it.

[prwraith]

Eh. Unfortunate. He'll be caught like near everyone is eventually. Even if it wasn't a hate crime it will be considered one, of course.

[Stelio Kontos]

Outlawing hate speech doesn't really help.

A few European countries have draconian laws on such things and racism is rampant across much of the continent, it's not much better at all.