HFC Which Specc for which fight?

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What are you planning ? I am only planning for HC thus far, because I wont see mythic the first 2 weeks until we clear HC in our guild.


My current plan:

Hellfire Assault: Fury - Bladestorm + Anger Management

Iron Reaver: Fury - Avatar + Siegebreaker

Kormok: Fury - Avatar + Anger Management

Hellfire High Council: Arms - Bloodbath + Ravager

Kilrogg: Fury - Bladestorm + Anger Management

Gorefiend: Fury - Avatar + Anger Management

Socrethar: Fury - Avatar + Anger Management

Tyrant Velhari: Arms - Bloodbath + Ravager

Xhul'Thorac: Arms - Bloodbath + Ravager

Shadow Lord Iskar: Arms - Bloodbath + Ravager

Mannoroth: Fury - Avatar + Anger Management

Archimonde: Fury - Avatar + Anger Management


Please give me your impression.

[Bigbazz]

Same approach as BRF.. I'l go with the flow, will try out different stuff throughout progression and adjust what I play based on nerfs/buffs that Blizzard do to the class. I played Arms + Glad in Highmaul, I switched to Arms + Fury in BRF and moved further towards Fury later on.

I'l start as Fury in Hellfire, what spec I play will depend on what works best.. Which is very hard to know at this point because lots of changes have happened to gear recently, the pre-patch predictions and intentions are never very accurate.. Often just because blizzard fiddles with stuff.

[Xeley]

Fury until I get 4p for Arms. Then never looking at Fury again if possible.

[Sorthalis]

I am on Archi right now (normal)

So far Fury has been better for every fight expect for Hellfire Council.

[Xeley]

Fury until I get 4p for Arms. Then never looking at Fury again if possible.

JK. Arms reverted. Back to being forced to play a specc you dont enjoy.

[apoe]

I am on Archi right now (normal)

So far Fury has been better for every fight expect for Hellfire Council.

Arms seemed good on Tyrant Velhari (normal) as well. Two targets for most of the fight.

@OP, I took anger management and avatar for kilrogg. I think I have like a rank 3 or 4 on heroic, so it worked out well. If you are in the visions of demise group, imo you want single target talents so that when you come out with 200% damage buff, you can blow up the boss. Triple damage plus reck plus ava plus potions and procs in execute phase.

Bladestorm might be helpful against the add swarms during the vision phase, but I think the maximum buff is 200% damage which we got easily even without AOE talents specced.

Otherwise, anger management vs siegebreaker in current gear is still a wash... depends on kill time for which gives better single target damage. Since I have no idea how long the fights will last with my group, I am just running AM so that my 2min vial is easier to line up with reck.

For kormrok, you probably want bladestorm and maybe ravager for the hands phase. Make sure you are positioned in the middle of the group instead of the edges for maximum skillstorming.

[bladeXcrasher]

I used brostorm for Kormok and raped hand damage.

[ColbaneX]

So what is a decent "go to" single target setup? Right now I'm using DR/Ava/AM and doing well. Should I be switching something out?

[Bigbazz]

All I am sure of right now based on my current gear.

Hellfire Assault - Fury - Bladestorm/AM
Iron Reaver - Fury - Avatar + not sure yet.. Probably AM though as kill times will soon approach no air phase on HC.
Kormrok - Fury - Avatar/AM
Council - Arms - Bloodbath + not sure yet.
Kilrogg - Fury - Avatar/AM


It's still too early days for me to know what I'm gonna use when you dont get enough time on a boss to work out what is best before it falls over, we've only raided about 3 hours so far and we went in completely blind. On Kilrogg I took Bladestorm to go in the portal but soon realised the buff caps off at 20 stacks and so you're just wasting boss dps by taking BS.. Same case on Kormrok, BS is just wasted dps as the hands just melt anyway and meanwhile you're gimping your boss dps for a bit of meaningless padding.

[Ryanite]

would be also cool if you guys could include what you expect or have had experience with each trinket if you have them.

Which trinkets are best for each fight?

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I prefer BS for Kormrok for the hands! Thats a realy nice dps push and your helping your raid aswell! I didnt have the AoE trinket from Zakuun yet but i saw some logs from some warriors in the hellifre assault hc fight and the second best dps gain after bladestorm mainhand was that trinket from nhc .... insane!

[pulshu]

We did 13/13n wednesday and 9/13hc yesterday so um... all the adds die pretty fast in every fight so there is not really any use for arms. Maybe in mythic arms will be more usefull when the adds have more hp.

[ColbaneX]

We did 13/13n wednesday and 9/13hc yesterday so um... all the adds die pretty fast in every fight so there is not really any use for arms. Maybe in mythic arms will be more usefull when the adds have more hp.

What were your talent choices for each encounter?

[Bigbazz]

We did 13/13n wednesday and 9/13hc yesterday so um... all the adds die pretty fast in every fight so there is not really any use for arms. Maybe in mythic arms will be more usefull when the adds have more hp.

I dunno, I sweeping strike executed my way to 67k dps on Council with Arms. It seems like a perfect fight for Arms really, I can't imagine the dps possible with new trinkets + t18, pretty awesome for sure.

[apoe]

I dunno, I sweeping strike executed my way to 67k dps on Council with Arms. It seems like a perfect fight for Arms really, I can't imagine the dps possible with new trinkets + t18, pretty awesome for sure.

Guild is 11/13h now. From my exp, arms is really good on council, socrethar, and tyrant. Especially tyrant since a huge % of fight is 2 target and you get that massive damage buff during the last phase which makes arms' godly execute damage even more ridiculous. As soon as the boss reached 20% hp, the boss' health dropped like a rock since we had 2 arms warriors spamming 1 million damage executes.

Other fights with bursty add phases, fury's T17 reckstorm seems to be better, for now.

[Uoyredrum]

Hellfire Assault - Fury - Bladestorm + AM

Iron Reaver - Fury - Avatar + AM

Kormrok - Fury - Bladestorm + AM

Council - Arms - Avatar + AM

Kilrogg - Fury - Avatar + AM

Gorefiend - Fury - Avatar or Bladestorm + AM (undecided, messed around with both)


All I've done so far.

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Gorefiend - Fury - Avatar or Bladestorm + AM (undecided, messed around with both)

Wat ? You're considering BS on Gorefiend ?
Also AM is mandatory, as P2 comes 2mins after the pull.

[Axyos]

We are 12/13N, 8/13H, I go

Hellfire Assault: Fury - Bladestorm/AM

Iron Reaver: Fury - Avatar/AM

Kormok: Fury - Bladestorm/AM.

Hellfire High Council: Arms - Bloodbath/AM

Kilrogg: Fury - Bladestorm/AM

Gorefiend: Fury - Avatar/AM

Socrethar: Fury - Avatar/AM currently, but I want to try Arms because logs show it doing quite well, but the way my guild does it, which I thought was the right way, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot to cleave, but it's something I'll have to try out.

Tyrant Velhari: Arms - Bloodbath/AM

Xhul'Thorac: Fury - Bladestorm/AM

Shadow Lord Iskar: Fury - Bladestorm/AM

Mannoroth: Fury - Avatar/AM

Archimonde: Fury - Avatar/AM

I take AM every fight, I just find it better to have my CDs up more and I ravager is too immobile if something happens and the boss needs to be moved, you've lost all your dps.

[Uoyredrum]

Wat ? You're considering BS on Gorefiend ?
Also AM is mandatory, as P2 comes 2mins after the pull.

Was helping with add management but that can probably be handled better by having people be more efficient in his stomach. I get what you're saying but this was also on normal, haven't done him on heroic yet so I can't speak for that version of the fight.

[Bigbazz]

Was helping with add management but that can probably be handled better by having people be more efficient in his stomach. I get what you're saying but this was also on normal, haven't done him on heroic yet so I can't speak for that version of the fight.

HC is exactly the same but stuff has more health and hurts a bit more... Honestly I expect we might see people jumping out of the stomach early and finding some way to cheese AOE the construct adds, and when things didn't go our way there was the odd opportunity for Bladestorm on HC for us, I think one of our other Warriors (we have 3 at the moment) used it to some effect on one of our wipes before we killed it.

Thing is though, those adds are just a bit of a pointless thing to try to cheese, when you have that festering phase where you do mega dps, you want to have Avatar/AM for that really as it lines up perfectly, you can use Avatar on cooldown and have it paired with Recklessness for every festering phase.. A well timed fight (with festering during execute phase) would send a Fury Warrior pretty damn high so long as cooldowns are available.

On the subject of Kormrok, I see that most people are getting the hands out much earlier and using that opportunity for Bladestorm pew pew, we've been doing it in such a way that we get Blobs > Runes > Hands and so our hands are not coming for 1m40s in, and then we have quite strong AOE anyway so they just die too quickly.

It seems though that for just ranking the way to go is to get the hands out early and tell your raid to go easy on them so you can just Bladestorm your face off.. I'm gonna try to convince our group to do that next week.