We need back the WotLK Righteous Vengeance

[Deztru]

Crusader Strike, Judgment, Exorcism, Divine Storm and Templar's Verdict critical strikes deal additional 30% damage over 8 seconds.

If the critical requirement portion was removed so it would proc off normal hits as well would bring a great mean of stability to the way how retribution deals damage.

Keeping it up with HoPo Generators and ramping it up with TW would be a nice solution to Retributions issue that TW is really the only ability that does good damage.

[Deleted]

So what you're saying is... Just buff 2/3 of our damage by 30%? I doubt we need a straight up 20 % buff, especially since we're less than 3K behind the best non-mage spec:

http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T18H.html

[Deztru]

So what you're saying is... Just buff 2/3 of our damage by 30%? I doubt we need a straight up 20 % buff, especially since we're less than 3K behind the best non-mage spec:

http://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/Raid_T18H.html

Talking about ~fixing the spec overall rather than adding to the current tier.

[Morally Grey Storm]

Do we?
Listen , we are balanced.
We lots of utilities, heals and armor. We can go and make immune.
We cleanse and support , and yet provide damage. We are the best there is as far as hybrids are concerned.
Leave crazy bursts and damage to pure dps, it's their job!

[Deztru]

We lots of utilities, heals and armor. We can go and make immune.

Utilities sure, but then you gain raid dps when the paladin is healing with the same utilities and you bring a better performing dps.

Our heals in a raid environment sacrifice a lot of damage and are yet weak.

We cleanse and support , and yet provide damage. We are the best there is as far as hybrids are concerned.

Healers can dispel everything, Retribution can dispel only poison and it's not our job to dispel anyway. Hybrids in PvE haven't been useful since TBC.

Leave crazy bursts and damage to pure dps, it's their job!

Retributions role is damage and before we get Mannoroths trinket and T18 we simply don't have stable enough damage output compared to other classes.

[Deleted]

@Deztru Don't feed the troll.

[Gorgodeus]

it's not our job to dispel anyway.

It isn't if you are a baddie. DPS has more responsibilities than simply dpsing. Competent players know this.

[Deztru]

@Deztru Don't feed the troll.

The wall between a troll and an LFR player is thin.

[Morally Grey Storm]

@Deztru Don't feed the troll.

you know its borderline insulting calling other people names dont you?
Your attitude is lacking, and you are borderline rude, sure as sure.

Why you gotta be so rude?
Don't you know I'm Paladin too
Why you gotta be so rude?
I'm gonna Crusade anyway~

[Faesroll]

you know its borderline insulting calling other people names dont you?
Your attitude is lacking, and you are borderline rude, sure as sure.

Why you gotta be so rude?
Don't you know I'm Paladin too
Why you gotta be so rude?
I'm gonna Crusade anyway~

You cannot seriously be insulted by that.

[Raugnaut]

This change is, simply put, a straight-up damage increase. It doesn't do ANYTHING else but increase our damage, so you might as well increase Seal of Truth's damage by an amount to compensate for this.

Now, if you attatched it to critical hits only, it increases the value of crit for Ret, which would be a slight boon, but wouldn't do too much.

Ret doesn't have a damage problem atm.

[Morally Grey Storm]

Utilities sure, but then you gain raid dps when the paladin is healing with the same utilities and you bring a better performing dps.

listen, we are balance because, we have heals AND can dps, it is onlu natural that we dps less!

Our heals in a raid environment sacrifice a lot of damage and are yet weak.

Strong heals belong to real healers, it is fething obvious.
we do good heals, good damage, and great supports

Healers can dispel everything, Retribution can dispel only poison and it's not our job to dispel anyway. Hybrids in PvE haven't been useful since TBC.

we too can, through Blessing of Sacrifice

Retributions role is damage and before we get Mannoroths trinket and T18 we simply don't have stable enough damage output compared to other classes.

Good Retribution Paladin knows that hes supposed to support and cover his raid optherwise he is no better than virtually any other dps!
we are multifunctional and are balanced with having all in euqal measures!

[s8mpurye]

Crusader Strike, Judgment, Exorcism, Divine Storm and Templar's Verdict critical strikes deal additional 30% damage over 8 seconds.

If the critical requirement portion was removed so it would proc off normal hits as well would bring a great mean of stability to the way how retribution deals damage.

So, our mastery? You want our mastery. Sorry, a dot version of our mastery...

[2hot4you]

lol next to VodkaRedBull, Storm of Sorrow is seriously one of the most advanced trolls on these forums #sureassure

Righteous Vengeance would be nice, but I'd be much happier with a 1-2 target cleave via Crusader Strike glyph or something, or maybe 6 charges of Wings via set bonus.

[Dauntless86]

lol next to VodkaRedBull, Storm of Sorrow is seriously one of the most advanced trolls on these forums #sureassure

truth

Righteous Vengeance would be nice, but I'd be much happier with a 1-2 target cleave via Crusader Strike glyph or something, or maybe 6 charges of Wings via set bonus.

Please no. No more balancing us via set bonuses. Please. /cries