Catholics Are Super Sad Gay People Can Get Married Now

[Felya]

"Sad"? More like salty

Are you nuts? /rimshot

[Dhrizzle]

Are you implying said person hasn't actually read the book they're citing? :O

It is absolutely shocking how often that happens. People who have read the bible are, of course, trying to stamp out the abominable shellfish before dealing with homosexuality.

[Deleted]

"Sad"? More like salty

salty like the semen they're terrified of

[Deleted]

The ones that cut out those parts because they think its a little unpleasent, and choose which parts they like, are not true followers of that faith

Yer I was never sure at which point or of how much you can cherry pick from these old texts before it becomes hard to call yourself a member of whatever religious community you happen to have been born into.

[Geary]

Then they have no right to dictate what marriage is. So we agree.

In the civil/secular legal context, no. But then I would also say that we need to reexamine why government is involved in marriage at all. The First Amendment grants freedom of association. That should be enough, and we should reexamine why couples are given Social Security inheritance or joint filing.

[Felya]

It is absolutely shocking how often that happens. People who have read the bible are, of course, trying to stamp out the abominable shellfish before dealing with homosexuality.

This video explains exactly why they blame religion... Fear of reaction if they own up to personal opinions.

[Geary]

If Catholics are upset about gay marriage, they are cherry-picking parts of the Bible while ignoring other parts of the Bible in many ways. That's the definition of hypocrisy. God created us in his image, love thy neighbor, etc. are being ignored by them on 1 end - which are major and principal parts of the religion. On the other end, they are also not being good Catholics by not fundamentally following ALL of the Bible which says some highly questionable things like women are property, children can be sold into slavery, slavery is condoned, beating women is ok, eating shellfish is sin (lol - love that one), etc. So I don't have a lot of sympathy for people that hide their prejudice and bigotry behind religion, while hypocritically only following the select parts they don't like. Leprosy is rare now compared to the time of the Bible, but the parallels about loving oppressed minorities is about as close as we have today to the LGBT community. But sadly and ironically some people will keep on hating and telling themselves and others they are being good Christians, while being in opposition to and missing the entire point of nearly everything Jesus said and taught.

You must have missed the fact that the New Testament superseded the ceremonial Mosaic laws. Not only is that discussed in the Epistles themselves, there is plenty of historical evidence that Christians abandoned them from the beginning (Referenced in the works of Justin Martyr, Diocletian, Augustine, etc.)

[prwraith]

You must have missed the fact that the New Testament superseded the ceremonial Mosaic laws. Not only is that discussed in the Epistles themselves, there is plenty of historical evidence that Christians abandoned them from the beginning (Referenced in the works of Justin Martyr, Diocletian, Augustine, etc.)

I always love hearing about how the bible is allowed to contradict itself whenever it wants

[Independent voter]

You must have missed the fact that the New Testament superseded the ceremonial Mosaic laws. Not only is that discussed in the Epistles themselves, there is plenty of historical evidence that Christians abandoned them from the beginning (Referenced in the works of Justin Martyr, Diocletian, Augustine, etc.)

Geary, can you ever see a point where the Catholic church marries Catholic gays? Say 10-20 years from now?

[Conspicuous Cultist]

The only real Christians are the ones that follow the book line to line and leave little to interpretation and weaseling because otherwise, you're just trying to use something you don't really believe in (or aren't that scared of hellfire) as a shield for your argument.

I'm sure years ago the Puritans would've called us Sodom and Gomorrah back in the '90s, you guys opposing this are little different and still wrong.

[Dhrizzle]

The only real Christians are the ones that follow the book line to line and leave little to interpretation and weaseling because otherwise, you're just trying to use something you don't really believe in (or aren't that scared of hellfire) as a shield for your argument.

I'm sure years ago the Puritans would've called us Sodom and Gomorrah back in the '90s, you guys opposing this are little different and still wrong.

Or... the only real Christians are those who follow the teachings of Christ and ignore any rules and regulations in the bible that don't conform to the ideas of neighbour loving and doing unto others etc...

[prwraith]

Or... the only real Christians are those who follow the teachings of Christ and ignore any rules and regulations in the bible that don't conform to the ideas of neighbour loving and doing unto others etc...

Wait so Christians do or don't use the bible? Or are you admitting they cherry pick the good parts and then yell at us for calling them on that shit

[Rukh]

Or... the only real Christians are those who follow the teachings of Christ and ignore any rules and regulations in the bible that don't conform to the ideas of neighbour loving and doing unto others etc...

When Jesus was asked what is important - "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

When people talk about restricting rights to people, or persecuting them, I wonder which of these two things they believe it falls under.

[Endus]

This thread has been crossing the line about religious discussion for some time now, so I'm going to lock it.

Since we've had some expressed concerns over the mod team's position on this, I also want to clarify what and why we don't allow. Mentioning religion isn't banned. Nor is mentioning that you are religious. What derails the discussion is when people start arguing about what a religion "really" believes, or what a specific point of dogma means. If you're about to start quoting passages or referring to specific points of dogma, you're over the line. It turns into one side trying to "prove" what other people "really" believe, which just crashes and burns every time, which is why we shut it down preemptively.