What if Vol'jin Killed Garrosh Hellscream?

[Teerack]

"Sylvanas is hot-headed enough that Vol’jin getting the killing blow on Garrosh would have caused massive infighting amongst the Horde" every part of this statement is very false.

[Aucald]

I think either Vol'jin or Thrall should've carried out the execution on Garrosh regardless of the Alliance's feelings on the matter - much less Taran Zhu's. I have a lot of respect for Taran Zhu and the Shado-pan, and even limited respect for the leadership of the Alliance, but ultimately I consider this an internal Horde matter that should've been resolved decisively by application of the Doomhammer (or suitable alternative) directly to the cranium. Thrall had a commander of the Horde summarily executed right on the battlefield for consorting with the Legion not that long ago, I fail to see why Garrosh and his misbegotten union with Y'shaarj's latent essence should be treated any differently.

[Bots]

It will be nice)

[Rosstafa]

With no magic, Vol'jin would have a hard time beating Garrosh, as while he is a brilliant and powerful fighter, Trolls aren't as well-built as Orcs. With magic though, a shadow hunter (with monk training and probably shamanistic skills too) would have a thousand ways to kill someone. See how quickly Gul'dan turned Grom helpless. All his strength counted for nothing against a good CC spell.

"Sylvanas is hot-headed enough that Vol’jin getting the killing blow on Garrosh would have caused massive infighting amongst the Horde" every part of this statement is very false.

Yeah, she wouldn't have cared much. She never does.

[Ramz]

With no magic, Vol'jin would have a hard time beating Garrosh, as while he is a brilliant and powerful fighter, Trolls aren't as well-built as Orcs. With magic though, a shadow hunter (with monk training and probably shamanistic skills too) would have a thousand ways to kill someone. See how quickly Gul'dan turned Grom helpless. All his strength counted for nothing against a good CC spell.

But in combat 1vs1 not only brute strenght matters, but skill and agility aswell. Carine despite old age was easily avoiding Garrosh attacks and was beating him badly. Vol'jin i not only shadow hunter - a class that is incredibly skilled in melee/ randeg and voodoo magic, but also he passed monk training.

And trolls can take havy beat up and not be that much affected by it. There are two quite lovely examples on Draenor.

Bwu'ja who appears in draneor campaign got heavily beaten by the ogres when one used soulgrinder magics on her, but the moment she is set free she quickly regenerates and comes back to fight ogres.
and Kajassa who was fighting party of warsong raiders (I think there was 6 of them) at once. 6 bulky Warsong warriors against one troll female shadow-hunter.

And besides I think people hugely overrated Garrosh battle skills, He always fought like oaf, and he only managed to get Taran Zhu was because the latter got his foot stuck.

And didn't Varian bested him in duel too?

[Gamevizier]

Metzen wouldve ran into his office crying and lock the door behind...outright refuse to come out of there because the other "meanie" devs ninjad his character's kill.

He would have proceeded to cry and curse in orcish...alot.

[Friendlyimmolation]

But in combat 1vs1 not only brute strenght matters, but skill and agility aswell. Carine despite old age was easily avoiding Garrosh attacks and was beating him badly. Vol'jin i not only shadow hunter - a class that is incredibly skilled in melee/ randeg and voodoo magic, but also he passed monk training.

You cant compare Garrosh when he was just learning to fight with Gorehowl still, to Voljin after his monk training. At that point in time where Vol'jin got his monk Training, Garrosh was just as good as Varian and beat the Master of monks: Taran Zhu into the dirt like a bitch.

And besides I think people hugely overrated Garrosh battle skills, He always fought like oaf, and he only managed to get Taran Zhu was because the latter got his foot stuck.

He took Taran's chi blast foot thing or whatever its called to the chest and didnt even move. It was obvious that Garrosh had been honing his skills alot from Cata to MoP

And didn't Varian bested him in duel too?

In their latest duel Garrosh was just as fast and skilled as Varian, only the ship that they were fighting on sinking ended their duel, but Varian was surprised on how fast Garrosh was.

[sam86]

You cant compare Garrosh when he was just learning to fight with Gorehowl still, to Voljin after his monk training. At that point in time where Vol'jin got his monk Training, Garrosh was just as good as Varian and beat the Master of monks: Taran Zhu into the dirt like a bitch.
He took Taran's chi blast foot thing or whatever its called to the chest and didnt even move. It was obvious that Garrosh had been honing his skills alot from Cata to MoP.

Beating Taran Zhu is not a big deal, he sucks as we players saw in MoP, he trained his entire life to fight the sha, and as soon they appeared he was among first victims
It's like count killing Manaroth, he get axed for breakfast these days

[Ramz]

You cant compare Garrosh when he was just learning to fight with Gorehowl still, to Voljin after his monk training. At that point in time where Vol'jin got his monk Training, Garrosh was just as good as Varian and beat the Master of monks: Taran Zhu into the dirt like a bitch.

He took Taran's chi blast foot thing or whatever its called to the chest and didnt even move. It was obvious that Garrosh had been honing his skills alot from Cata to MoP

In their latest duel Garrosh was just as fast and skilled as Varian, only the ship that they were fighting on sinking ended their duel, but Varian was surprised on how fast Garrosh was.

So the match would be even I suppose.

[Friendlyimmolation]

So the match would be even I suppose.

Its surprising how many people don't realize how skilled Garrosh became by the time of MoP, Probably because no one wants to read the books.

[Arrashi]

So the match would be even I suppose.

The only thing that would be even would be Vol'jin. He would be even with dirt level.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The only thing that would be even would be Vol'jin. He would be even with dirt level.

Know what is also near the dirt? Podlings, devious creatures capable of fooling even brave Alliance soldiers.

[Arrashi]

Know what is also near the dirt? Podlings, devious creatures capable of fooling even brave Alliance soldiers.

Wow, lol'jin and podlings sure have alot in common. Physical strenght included. Thank god, vol'jin don't come in such a numbers tho. Sadly, trolls as race do.

[Lesane]

I would like to think Vol'jin would rather try to fight Garrosh 1v1 then kill him after he was beaten into submission by 25 other people.

Implying Vol'jin has any courage in him. Even directly after the beatdown Garrosh received in SoO he would still probably whoop Vol'jin's ass 1v1.

[Teerack]

Yeah, she wouldn't have cared much. She never does.

Yeah the only time she ever couldn't control herself was with Arthus because of how personally he wronged her.

[Khaza-R]

I think either Vol'jin or Thrall should've carried out the execution on Garrosh regardless of the Alliance's feelings on the matter - much less Taran Zhu's. I have a lot of respect for Taran Zhu and the Shado-pan, and even limited respect for the leadership of the Alliance, but ultimately I consider this an internal Horde matter that should've been resolved decisively by application of the Doomhammer (or suitable alternative) directly to the cranium. Thrall had a commander of the Horde summarily executed right on the battlefield for consorting with the Legion not that long ago, I fail to see why Garrosh and his misbegotten union with Y'shaarj's latent essence should be treated any differently.

I picture Vol'jin trying to finish off a beaten Garrosh ending much like the fight between Oberyn and the Mountain.

[Zulkhan]

Beating Taran Zhu is not a big deal, he sucks as we players saw in MoP, he trained his entire life to fight the sha, and as soon they appeared he was among first victims

Garrosh was able to defeat Taran Zhu thanks to a couple of very fortunate/favorable circumstances, not only the unusual place in which they fought (never Taran Zhu's feet would have planted itself in standard ground like it did in the bridge's wood) but also to Garrosh exploiting the equivalent of a second weapon (the iron chain) to grab the pandaren's neck and pull him right onto his weapon. This last thing alone would have invalidated even the most "permissive" of the Mak'goras.

For the rest, Taran Zhu was capable to disarm Garrosh, a warrior, in 8-10 seconds of fighting.

[Friendlyimmolation]

For the rest, Taran Zhu was capable to disarm Garrosh, a warrior, in 8-10 seconds of fighting.

And was dumb as shit to not expect a fist to the face, I'm guessing the dumplings cut off all circulation to Taran'Zhu's brain after he spent months planing a "your dad" joke on Garrosh.

[Gourmandise]

What's with all these weird Garrosh boners going about. Dude sucked.

[Friendlyimmolation]

What's with all these weird Garrosh boners going about. Dude sucked.

I like Garrosh because he was blunt, and because he got shit done.