Scottish National Party MPs to vote on matters only affecting England and Wales

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-33516713

The issue is of course just fox hunting, even so the principle on this is important, Scottish MPs are voting on on a matter which is entirely devolved to Scotland and will have no bearing on their constituencies.

In my opinion this will prove a good argument in favour of the governments English votes for English laws legislation.

[Doctor Amadeus]

I'm not from the U.K so I don't know what this means Harry!

What does this mean Harry?

[Fexus]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-33516713

The issue is of course just fox hunting, even so the principle on this is important, Scottish MPs are voting on on a matter which is entirely devolved to Scotland and will have no bearing on their constituencies.

In my opinion this will prove a good argument in favour of the governments English votes for English laws legislation.

Wait did the UK want Scotland to become independent or not? I'm a little rusty on my year old history.

[klogaroth]

I'm not from the U.K so I don't know what this means Harry!

What does this mean Harry?

Imagine if Texas got to vote on state laws for California.
It's that.

We're half way to proper devolution, so in this weird situation at the moment.

[Fexus]

Imagine if Texas got to vote on state laws for California.
It's that.

No it's like if Texas gets to vote for national laws that affect California more than other states.

[Deleted]

I'm not from the U.K so I don't know what this means Harry!

What does this mean Harry?

It means that MPs from Scotland are voting on things which don't affect them, which annoys people from England and Wales. It feels unfair that Scotland gets devolution but carries on voting on UK-wide things.

Wait did the UK want Scotland to become independent or not? I'm a little rusty on my year old history.

Well the vote was 45-55%, so its supposedly settled for a 'generation' but it might happened again.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Imagine if Texas got to vote on state laws for California.
It's that.

We're half way to proper devolution, so in this weird situation at the moment.

Ok gotcha that's a scary prospect.

[Fexus]

Ok gotcha that's a scary prospect.

Luckily that's not what is going on at all. This is a UK vote and Scotland is part of the UK.

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It means that MPs from Scotland are voting on things which don't affect them, which annoys people from England and Wales. It feels unfair that Scotland gets devolution but carries on voting on UK-wide things.

I would assume that voting on UK-wide things is probably one of the perks of being part of the UK.

[Deleted]

Wait did the UK want Scotland to become independent or not? I'm a little rusty on my year old history.

His point is that the Laws regarding fox hunting are devolved to the Scottish Parliament, so that in Scotland, they can make there own laws regarding it. However what you have here is Scottish MP's voting on laws that have nothing to do with Scotland at all, and it comes off a bit rich from a country that routinely bitches at Westminster for voting on laws that the Scottish people must abide by.

This is also one of the reasons why the movement to have an actual English parliament is gaining traction.

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Luckily that's not what is going on at all. This is a UK vote and Scotland is part of the UK.

Fox hunting is devolved.

Why should Scottish MPs have a say in fox hunting matters in England and Wales? Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader was reported as using fox hunting as an example of something the SNP should not vote on since it has nothing to do with Scotland... yet here we are.

[klogaroth]

No it's like if Texas gets to vote for national laws that affect California more than other states.

Not just more than. Often solely.

Don't get me wrong though. On most issues I'd prefer to have the SNP voting at the moment. It's just not particularly great for claiming that your democracy is representative though.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Non of this will effect Hogwatrz will it? J/k

[Deleted]

Fox hunting is devolved.

Why should Scottish MPs have a say in fox hunting matters in England and Wales? Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP leader was reported as using fox hunting as an example of something the SNP should not vote on since it has nothing to do with Scotland... yet here we are.

Why should they get to vote on slavery if england wants to make it legal again?

[klogaroth]

Non of this will effect Hogwatrz will it? J/k

It might do if the SNP start voting in English tuition fee debates. We might be able to see more wizards from low income households going to Hogwarts.

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Why should they get to vote on slavery if england wants to make it legal again?

If England wanted to bring it back, Scotland shouldn't have any say in it. If the UK wanted to bring it back, then they'd get a say.

[Fexus]

The irony of all of this is just fantastic. English government lobbies hard for Scottish people to vote no on independence but don't like it when they vote on things.

[Shadowmelded]

Then vote for an English parliament. The SNP's stance is explained fairly clearly; Amendments to the Scotland bill were entirely rejected without debate by Tory MPs despite 58/59 Scottish MPs supporting them and having cross party support in Holyrood. If there's no Scottish votes for Scottish laws, why bother to return the favour. Also they were lobbied pretty heavily to oppose the bill, 80% of England want it retained AND weakening the law and having to abstain in the process weakens their attempts to beef up the law in Scotland which is currently under review because hunts are flaunting the law. Bringing the law "into line with Scotland" is meaningless when Scotland is telling you the law isn't strong enough.

[Deleted]

Why should they get to vote on slavery if england wants to make it legal again?

Frankly if only England wants to, they shouldn't.

If Scots hate fox hunting so much, they can restrict it.

The funny thing is the law that the scots are voting against is already in place in Scotland. So this is just being done to fuck with the government. Not only is it vindictive, stupid and undemocratic it needs to be stamped out with legislation.

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If England wanted to bring it back, Scotland shouldn't have any say in it. If the UK wanted to bring it back, then they'd get a say.

Aren't animal cruelty laws nationwide for the uk?

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The irony of all of this is just fantastic. English government lobbies hard for Scottish people to vote no on independence but don't like it when they vote on things.

England and Scotland are both part of the United Kingdom union, but we do not have to agree on everything. Currently Scotland has more powers over its own laws than England does.