Want to be a burglar?

[Deleted]

Come to Holland! Even if you get caught, you still get paid!

On a more serious note:

https://www.rechtspraak.nl/Organisat...-inbreker.aspx

Dutch cop finds a burglar and catches him in the act after a nightly report of break-in.

Cop tells burglar to hold it
Burglar refuses to coöporate
Cop draws gun and tells burglar again to hold it.
Burglar flees
Cop shoots burglar in the leg.
Cop gets sued
Cop has to pay 2500,- to the burglar for assault

Seriously the fuck? Does this happen in other countries as well or?

[TheCount]

Come to Holland! Even if you get caught, you still get paid!

On a more serious note:

https://www.rechtspraak.nl/Organisat...-inbreker.aspx

Dutch cop finds a burglar and catches him in the act after a nightly report of break-in.

Cop tells burglar to hold it
Burglar refuses to coöporate
Cop draws gun and tells burglar again to hold it.
Burglar flees
Cop shoots burglar in the leg.
Cop gets sued
Cop has to pay 2500,- to the burglar for assault

Seriously the fuck? Does this happen in other countries as well or?

Law enforcement have it pretty rough in most places. In the US 2 things could have happened.
1: Pretty much the same situation you described only the cop also gets fired
2: Cop does not shoot because he is afraid of situation #1. Now cop gets put on near permanent leave, the place that was being robbed also sues the cop for failing to stop the burglar. Also the burglar manages to hurt someone which only adds onto the cops problems.

So yeah its a pretty tough time to be a cop anywhere.

[TheCount]

Or the cop shoots the guy and nothing happens.

Well the family of the burglar might sue the cop and city

[Wildtree]

Even in the US the law says that the use of lethal force against a fleeing suspect is not justified, since the suspect does not pose a serious threat to the cops life or that of others (if unarmed)...
So, a fine is a rather lenient punishment.
The real interesting aspect however is, the result of the use of the weapon...
Since so many people (in the gun threads etc.) love to claim how aiming at extremities instead of lethal body center would be just a myth lol

[Deleted]

Afaik cops in the netherlands are not allowed to draw their weapon against unarmed people, and only allowed to shoot if their life is in danger (aka being actively attacked, not just the criminal brandishing a weapon, unless its a firearm maybe.)

cops can't even arrest you if they see you with stolen goods on the sidewalk in front of the house you broke into, if they didn't see you actually leave with the stolen goods.

The thing i find stupid about this is that i expected my country to give the police officer the same punishment anyone else would have gotten, but they seem to have brushed away the prison time usually given for this crime "because it might affect his career and he isn't a civilian"

[Deleted]

Afaik cops in the netherlands are not allowed to draw their weapon against unarmed people.

So what is supposed to do then? Bat him to the ground? Assault.
Ask him to surrender? He isnt gonna
Let him run would be the only option.
Why the fuck do we have cops?

[Symphonic]

So what is supposed to do then? Bat him to the ground? Assault.
Ask him to surrender? He isnt gonna
Let him run would be the only option.
Why the fuck do we have cops?

Don't worry, if you had more incidents you'd end up like the United States - we kill anyone who disobeys. (At least that's how we are portrayed)

[Csnyder]

poorly trained cop. if i shoot someone they arent around to sue anyone. dont pull the gun unless you intend to kill.

[Symphonic]

Idiot cop should've been punished harder. You don't shoot anyone that isn't a threat.

So burglars should just be free to steal?

[Mikael123]

So burglars should just be free to steal?

No. Burglars should be caught and put in handcuffs. That's the normal procedure where I live atleast.

[Deleted]

So what is supposed to do then? Bat him to the ground? Assault.
Ask him to surrender? He isnt gonna
Let him run would be the only option.
Why the fuck do we have cops?

Physical force is reasonable to subdue a fleeing unarmed suspect. Baton use up to officer judgement.
Lethal force is not reasonable.
"beating into the ground" is not reasonable.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I'd have given the cop a medal.

[Rukh]

So burglars should just be free to steal?

Theft isn't punished by death.

[Independent voter]

I would be grateful he shot me in the leg and not a more vital spot.

[Itisamuh]

Idiot cop should've been punished harder. You don't shoot anyone that isn't a threat.

Ah yes, the cop is the idiot who did wrong, not the burglar.

[Deleted]

Ah yes, the cop is the idiot who did wrong, not the burglar.

You should have heard the case a few years back when cops were waiting outside a building waiting for reinforcements while they could hear somebody being tortured to death inside. I can't remember if they were forced to wait due to protocol, of if they were just afraid to go in.

[enragedgorilla]

Even in the US the law says that the use of lethal force against a fleeing suspect is not justified, since the suspect does not pose a serious threat to the cops life or that of others (if unarmed)...
So, a fine is a rather lenient punishment.
The real interesting aspect however is, the result of the use of the weapon...
Since so many people (in the gun threads etc.) love to claim how aiming at extremities instead of lethal body center would be just a myth lol

Since ...should be IF .
There is a lot of language you changed or ignored in the "Fleeing suspect" laws.

The officer only has to reasonably believe(given the information he has at the time of the encounter) that the suspect is dangerous and could/would do harm if he was allowed to escape.

Reasonable officer standard. Feel free to look it up.


As for your crack about "shooting legs / arms etc" is a myth.
Myth= Made up.
It is not how defensive/offensive shooting it taught...anywhere that teaches the use of lethal force.
That is fact.
If this officer stated "he aimed for the leg" then I am willing to say that he also violated a department policy about how to shoot as well.
I know my department (as well as many others in the US) has policy directly stating you do not do this...it could be different in other countries but it is fairly universal in training.

Shooting a person on the move your point of aim and where the round ends up are not always the same, not even close some times. (I aim for the torso...pull trigger...between the trigger pull and the round impacting the target ...I jerk the trigger moving the gun or the target moves in a way that it is hit in a location different that the point of aim)
That is fact.

It is not called "lethal center" it is called center mass, that means the biggest portion of the target thus the most likely area to produce a hit (bigger area= more likely to hit)
That is fact.

Your visions and perceptions(not to mention statements) of how a person to person firefight / shooting happens are breathtakingly naive,fiction based and rather dangerous.


Back to the OP
This particular case, yeah...the shooting looks to be a ":bad" one.
Based on what I could translate.

The only save would have been if the Burglar had done the "waistband reach" or had something weapon like in his hand at the time.(Long ish screw driver,Crow bar etc) not what I am seeing though.

[Deleted]

after being burgled in the past, I have to say it was poor judgement on the part of the cop, To not use the Mozambique Drill.

[Wildtree]

Since ...should be IF .
There is a lot of language you changed or ignored in the "Fleeing suspect" laws.

The officer only has to reasonably believe(given the information he has at the time of the encounter) that the suspect is dangerous and could/would do harm if he was allowed to escape.

Reasonable officer standard. Feel free to look it up.


As for your crack about "shooting legs / arms etc" is a myth.
Myth= Made up.
It is not how defensive/offensive shooting it taught.
That is fact.
Shooting a person on the move your point of aim and where the round ends up are not always the same, not even close some times.
That is fact.
It is not called "lethal center" it is called center mass, that means the biggest portion of the target.
That is fact.
Your visions and perceptions of how a person to person firefight / shooting happens are breathtakingly naive,fiction based and rather dangerous.

let me guess, American?
Because your nonsense doesn't apply to other countries' police training.
Disabling a suspect is priority #1, not killing.

Your semantics don't make a difference. I know it's called center mass. I used other words to showcase the difference more clearly..
And as for the law.. look it up yourself.. Court rulings do exist in that regard.

[Deleted]

Looking at the thread title and the OP: I can do without getting shot in the leg, the money isn't worth it. Thanks for the invitation to your country and the job offer, though!