How We, The Heroes of Azeroth, Die - Potential Spoilers!

[ironhype]

During the Kilrogg Deadeye fight, he grants us, the heroes of Azeroth, a vision that shows exactly when we die. Very interesting to see how this will play out, or if the vision is even true. What are your thoughts?

[Duncanîdaho]

Well if you play an undead death knight, your character has already died three times(to become undead, to become a deathknight and then LK). What's a fourth? We all died at the hands of the lich king too, but got battle rezzed by Terenas. So death really isn't that final in WoW.

Apparently these visions always come to pass so it has potential. But honestly the threat of death isn't that interesting to me in Warcraft anymore because it is never permanent. Even if we all did die and our souls were taken by Sargaras, it would only be temporary and we would figure something out and break free. We are the heroes in the story afterall. They aren't going to end WoW with Sargaras winning.

[Arrashi]

But he is from AU, so it doesn't matter. What he saw is what would probably happened if we went to AU azeroth. Or maybe not.

I mean let's be honest, WoD more than anything proved that legion pose no threat to us.

[Trogie]

He is showing us our death. He probably doesn't know what he showed us. Being from AU or not wouldn't matter if it is our death.

[ironhype]

He is showing us our death. He probably doesn't know what he showed us. Being from AU or not wouldn't matter if it is our death.

Right, and even though resurrection happens somewhat frequently in WoW, in lore it's very hard to perform. Maybe Blizzard keeps this in their back pocket for when they want to end WoW and move on to bigger and better projects. It's not impossible.

[Stncold]

I think it's just meant to be our deaths should we fail on Draenor We didn't fail, so that particular death is averted. It also conflicts with Khadgar's vision of his death in The Last Guardian, another death that may have been averted.

But he is from AU, so it doesn't matter. What he saw is what would probably happened if we went to AU azeroth. Or maybe not.

I mean let's be honest, WoD more than anything proved that legion pose no threat to us.

WoD isn't even remotely the Legion's full strength. Just because Blizz does a crappy job of showing the casualties we take from these battles with them in lore doesn't mean they aren't a very real threat. It's been stated several times if the Legion gets a foothold on Azeroth/Sarg appears in his full physical form that it's game over.

[Combatbutler]

WoD isn't even remotely the Legion's full strength. Just because Blizz does a crappy job of showing the casualties we take from these battles with them in lore doesn't mean they aren't a very real threat.

We just have to unite several dozen azeroth's against them and the legion is done for, we are essentially infinite, the legion is not.

[ironhype]

It also conflicts with Khadgar's vision of his death in The Last Guardian, another death that may have been averted.

To be fair, in the novel he doesn't actually see himself die, he only has a vision of himself "thinking" he is going to die. He's about to be attacked by a ton of orcs and he is surrounded by a red sky. I stand firm in the belief that this has actually already happened back on Outland during his first few months on the shattered planet. He was trying to establish Honor Hold in Hellfire Peninsula, and with that being so close to Hellfire Citadel, I can definitely see him thinking that "oh shit...I'm going to die here" as he sees hundreds of orcs pour towards Honor Hold. However, somehow he managed to survive. He never explicitly sees himself die in the novel, only thinking "this is how I must die."

[Stncold]

To be fair, in the novel he doesn't actually see himself die, he only has a vision of himself "thinking" he is going to die. He's about to be attacked by a ton of orcs and he is surrounded by a red sky. I stand firm in the belief that this has actually already happened back on Outland during his first few months on the shattered planet. He was trying to establish Honor Hold in Hellfire Peninsula, and with that being so close to Hellfire Citadel, I can definitely see him thinking that "oh shit...I'm going to die here" as he sees hundreds of orcs pour towards Honor Hold. However, somehow he managed to survive. He never explicitly sees himself die in the novel, only thinking "this is how I must die."

Exactly, which is why I said "may have been averted." If Khadgar averted that death back in Hellfire, then it's very possible we avert this one by stopping the Legion on Draenor and sending Archie back to the Nether.

[Deleted]

Interesting. As a tank, I haven't been able to see the room and never thought to look it up.

[ironhype]

Exactly, which is why I said "may have been averted." If Khadgar averted that death back in Hellfire, then it's very possible we avert this one by stopping the Legion on Draenor and sending Archie back to the Nether.

That makes sense. The only issue is that so far, all of the bleeding hollow visions have came true 100%

[TheTaurenOrc]

Merely a setback!

[ironhype]

Merely a setback!

If we do come back to life, we better at least get cool green fel crystals impaled in our chests.

[Romeothecat]

Just a possible death and end to Azeroth. We've seen future of Azeroth leading to destruction before(End Time dungeon) this is just the result if our plan(whatever it maybe) fails. It could have even already been averted through our actions.

[Stncold]

That makes sense. The only issue is that so far, all of the bleeding hollow visions have came true 100%

That's because the Bleeding Hollow are primitive morons who accept their deaths as some glorious thing and make no attempt to avert them.

[Eon Drache]

But he is from AU, so it doesn't matter. What he saw is what would probably happened if we went to AU azeroth. Or maybe not.

I mean let's be honest, WoD more than anything proved that legion pose no threat to us.

It did nothing of the thing. AU Azeroth, if it has followed the same time line as ours up to this point will fall during the Legions first invasion as the Alliance alone will not be able to stand against them. There also wouldn't be an undercity as at that point there is no Lich King as no Ner'zhul. This sets off a chain of events.

No Lich King means no undead race.
No lich King means High Elves are never attacked and the sunwell doesn't get destroyed to resurrect Kel'thuzad.
King Llane is never assassinated by Garona.
AU Gul'dan never communicated with Mediv, if Sargeras even afflicted AU Aegywn. So no Dark Portal.

What I find most interesting is most of the events that will never happen on AU Azeroth are events that the Infinite Dragonflight has tried to prevent from happening in ours. And we know Murozond is Nozdormu. Nozdormu also showed that he was corrupted in an alternate time-line. So maybe because those events don't take place in AU Azeroth, that is where his corruption happens.

[Ratyrel]

I think this is a perfectly plausible outcome, even though Blizz was probably just messing around again. The events shown are in our universe, given the Undercity and the existence of the Horde. However, death has proven to be conquerable in the case of the heroes, so this doesn't mean it is indeed the end.

[ironhype]

I think this is a perfectly plausible outcome, even though Blizz was probably just messing around again. The events shown are in our universe, given the Undercity and the existence of the Horde. However, death has proven to be conquerable in the case of the heroes, so this doesn't mean it is indeed the end.

Ha, in all honesty, Blizzard may not even know the implications of what they did with this "visions of death" Now the fanbase is going to expect it at some point.

[MrLayman]

That's because the Bleeding Hollow are primitive morons who accept their deaths as some glorious thing and make no attempt to avert them.

This. They embrace death, so why would they try and change that? It even says that in the video he linked. We, however, don't give a crap about death so we can alter our own fate. If not and we do die permanently, what is going to happen? WoW 2?

[Mrbleedinggums]

The funny thing is fate is that it's not always clear in how it plays out, nor are the rules of fate/destiny the same in all universes. Ie: Lord of the Rings. When Lady Galadriel shows Frodo a future in the Mirror of Galadriel (that silver basin filled with water) that could show to the viewer "things that were, and things that are, and things that yet may be." In his vision, Frodo sees the Shire destroyed and the hobbits conquered and enslaved by the orcs as the Eye of Sauron gazes upon him. Yet none of this ever happens, clearly, because Sauron was vanquished and the orcs defeated.

Same thing here; it shows a vision of what happens should they not repel the Legion assaulting them; they fight to the death alongside Khadgar, who banishes as many demons as possible with a final explosion.