Elemental rotation 6.2

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So, this forum is basicly dead compared to the FOTM class forums here. BUT, that doesn't mean there are a few elemental/enhancements out there who want's to know what to do and not do.

Let's talk about advanced elemental rotations and openers.

With the 2-piece/4-piece T18 and class trinket introduced, we've gone from super basic rotations and openers to a more RNG and advanced decision making DPS rotation.

Here is what i do atm. 4-pice T18, Heroic class trinket.

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Single Target
Pull timer 10 sec. -> UF
Pull timer 2 sec. -> FET+pot
Pull -> Flameshock
LB -> Ascendance + EM -> LB, LB, LB, LB... -> 20 stack ES (let's say it resets and losses stacks) -> Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt, Lightning Bolt Lightning Bolt (get 4 stack) -> ES (to trigger haste buff)

From there on i just try maintain a sizeable haste buff without overlapping the buff too much.

The priority goes as follows:
FS (refresh at below 25 sec duration with EF)
LB
ES - 15+ stack and with EF
UF
Lightning Bolt
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My question is, what should Earth Shock with stacks be as priority? Let's say stacks doesn't reset and you could use ES with 15+ stacks 5 times in a row, should those just be fired away or saved to refresh 20% haste buff?

Other question, during Ascendance, only go for Lava Bursts or use Earth Shock with max stacks+EF? Refresh haste buff or simply dump stacks?


Anyway, this is noway a guide or the way to do it. Simply asking for feedback and some guidelines to follow.

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Opener without Lighting Bolt Precast


Also I take it you're new to these discussions, LB is generally used to Lightning Bolt, and LvB for Lava Burst.
Beyond that you shouldn't ES during Asc+EM in most circumstances (it's worth it to get one at the last second during Nithramus), you want (again, in most circumstances and assuming single target) to be spamming high stacks earth shock as long as it continues to proc, make sure your flame shock isn't going to fade during that, it's fine to cast a LB/LvB after your first ES if you weren't at max stacks though. EF doesn't do shit for Earth Shock. However, I actually haven't simmed using ES early on during ascendance to refresh the 4P haste buff, it's definitely worth it though.

[Ximaus]

Opener without Lighting Bolt Precast

Precasts net you very little to no DPS gain. It's really only helpful if, for some reason, your group plans to run up against the enrage. Most Elemental Shamans just pull with Flameshock so they can immediately go into Ascendance. Even more so if your group will be using the ring on pull (granted not a lot of people have it yet).

Let's say stacks doesn't reset and you could use ES with 15+ stacks 5 times in a row, should those just be fired away or saved to refresh 20% haste buff?

Earth Shock with 12 stacks or more (with or without EF) does more damage than Lightning Bolt while Earth Shock with 20 stacks does more damage than Lava Burst (provided Lava Burst doesn't multistrike 3 times). Pretty much you should always use Lava Burst when it's up even if you will cap on Lightning Shield charges. It seems to me to be best to use Earth Shock as a filler replacement for Lightning Bolt once it is past X stacks. I have found that to be 12 or more but some people have told me 15 or more; test it (or sim it) for yourself and see, just remember to include the Earth Shock damage.

Maintaining the buff is about the same priority as maintaining the T17 2 pc buff; that is to say not really at all. The buff will maintain itself; don't worry about keeping it up or maintaining stacks. Any playing around I have done with the buff has not resulted in a DPS gain. In a few instances (ie Feast of Souls, Ascendance, etc) you might want to save stacks so you can have a prolonged benefit from the buff but otherwise it is not worth micromanaging.

Other question, during Ascendance, only go for Lava Bursts or use Earth Shock with max stacks+EF? Refresh haste buff or simply dump stacks?

Doesn't matter much. Ascendance lasts for so little time that whether you use an extra Lava Burst or go for that max stack Earth Shock you won't notice a difference. I would honestly say don't bother going for Earth Shock unless you will definitely refresh the haste buff. Ideally you should be setting this up before Ascendance (obviously not on pull).

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Precasts net you very little to no DPS gain. It's really only helpful if, for some reason, your group plans to run up against the enrage.

I lol'd. Do you not pre-pot either?

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Precasts net you very little to no DPS gain. It's really only helpful if, for some reason, your group plans to run up against the enrage. Most Elemental Shamans just pull with Flameshock so they can immediately go into Ascendance.

Earth Shock with 12 stacks or more (with or without EF) does more damage than Lightning Bolt

Actually Earth Shock with 5 stacks or more does more damage than LB

Pretty much you should always use Lava Burst when it's up even if you will cap on Lightning Shield charges.

Certainly not if you have echo

It seems to me to be best to use Earth Shock as a filler replacement for Lightning Bolt once it is past X stacks. I have found that to be 12 or more but some people have told me 15 or more; test it (or sim it) for yourself and see, just remember to include the Earth Shock damage.

The "worth" of using ES at X stacks isn't really player dependant as it's about sp coefficients, it's mostly about what tier bonuses you have. With 4PT17 it was generally worth using ES at 12+ stacks, with T18 it's 15+. Besides, you seem to misunderstand what "filler" means.

Maintaining the buff is about the same priority as maintaining the T17 2 pc buff; that is to say not really at all. The buff will maintain itself; don't worry about keeping it up or maintaining stacks. Any playing around I have done with the buff has not resulted in a DPS gain. In a few instances (ie Feast of Souls, Ascendance, etc) you might want to save stacks so you can have a prolonged benefit from the buff but otherwise it is not worth micromanaging.

There definitely is a gain in various circumstances, but I would agree that unless you're really confident in what you're doing it's not worth bothering.

Doesn't matter much. Ascendance lasts for so little time that whether you use an extra Lava Burst or go for that max stack Earth Shock you won't notice a difference.

I mean, nothing "matters much" if you take each question individually, the point is to know cutoffs and exact values to grab a little more dps there and there, it ends up adding up to a lot.

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Quick question, I got the 4 piece setbonus now (And thus, i don't have the 2 pc T17 anymore) but during Ascendance, should i still use Earthshock? What if the 2 pc T18 proccs alot during ascendance? Focus on LvB's or as much ES's as possible?

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A 20 stack Fulmination is your highest DPET ability, so you should prioritise that over Lava Burst even during Ascendance.

[Arold]

A 20 stack Fulmination is your highest DPET ability, so you should prioritise that over Lava Burst even during Ascendance.

This isn't a good explanation for why you should do that. It's all about dat opportunity cost, bruh.

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This isn't a good explanation for why you should do that. It's all about dat opportunity cost, bruh.

^ Something a lot of people can't seem to understand.

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Lightning Bolt (get 4 stack) -> ES (to trigger haste buff)

Is it really worth? i never tryed it

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I'll just keep doing the right thing and leave the deep explanations to others then, I'm cool with this. Let's hear it.

[Ximaus]

I lol'd. Do you not pre-pot either?

Pre-potting nets you an extra 23 seconds of 1000 Int; it's not even comparable to 2 secs (assuming you hit it perfectly) of a Lightning Bolt when you STILL have to apply Flameshock to the target. You barely save yourself a GCD.

Certainly not if you have echo

Obviously not and you will only take Echo in 3 fights and your priority will be Earthquake most of the time anyway.

Actually Earth Shock with 5 stacks or more does more damage than LB

That is incorrect. If you don't take Unleashed Fury you need at least 6 stacks and if you take UF you need at least 9 during the buff. Even with that there is the fact that Lightning Bolt adds a stack so testing out when it is worth it to use is a personal rotation issue that will vary each fight; especially with the 4 pc.

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it's not even comparable to 2 secs (assuming you hit it perfectly) of a Lightning Bolt when you STILL have to apply Flameshock to the target. You barely save yourself a GCD.

How hard is it to precast lightning bolt when the pull timer is at 3 (or a bit later if you don't start max range from the boss) ? This is very confusing to me how precasting is even debatable, do you hate doing dps ? Why are you here ? Why are you raiding ?

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Pre-potting nets you an extra 23 seconds of 1000 Int; it's not even comparable to 2 secs (assuming you hit it perfectly) of a Lightning Bolt when you STILL have to apply Flameshock to the target. You barely save yourself a GCD.

Precasting Lighting bolt is so that you get your proc trinkets and weapon proc twice at the start of the fight rather than once. If you precast LB it causes your procs to trigger and then the internal cd resets once the fight starts, so you get the immediately after.

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How hard is it to precast lightning bolt when the pull timer is at 3 (or a bit later if you don't start max range from the boss) ? This is very confusing to me how precasting is even debatable, do you hate doing dps ? Why are you here ? Why are you raiding ?

Do you hate doing dps. ^^

[Shamboosie]

I appreciate the thread. Gives me something to look at. Any suggestion for fights such as kilrogg or gorefiend with heavy movement?

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Good shit guys, i appriciate some of the comments relevance to the topic.

I still don't see a conclusion on 20 stack ES during Ascendance over LvB? dump stacks or keep spamming LvB?

Also, other than useing UE before applying FS (with EF stacks ofc.), is it worth useing EU during Ascendance (+10% doe), or just keep spamming them LvB?

[Starsha]

ES20 has higher priority than Lava Burst at any time, including during Ascendance. No, don't use Unleash during ascendance. Unleash is only above Lightning Bolt priority wise.

[Ardourdan]

Good shit guys, i appriciate some of the comments relevance to the topic.

I still don't see a conclusion on 20 stack ES during Ascendance over LvB? dump stacks or keep spamming LvB?

Also, other than useing UE before applying FS (with EF stacks ofc.), is it worth useing EU during Ascendance (+10% doe), or just keep spamming them LvB?

You wait until Ascendance is over before dumping the 20 stacks, the reason being is that you don't want to sacrifice a LvB for 20 stack ES when you can sacrifice a LB instead.

The number one rule for Ascendance is make sure you only cast LvB when you've popped it. The rule before that rule, is to make sure you optimise your Ascendance by popping it around all other buffs and timers.

[FalcFalcFalc]

No. ES20 during ascendance. Do it. You'll have to deal with wasting a lvb while you're machine gunning Es20's. Just do it. Need a Microchaton or Arold shia lebouf gif please.