What happened to WoW PvP? It's almost unbearable

[denoz]

This is the first xpac since vanillia that I completely abandoned all forms of PvP. The thought of doing even 1 arena match makes me want to vomit. This is coming from a 10 year WoW vet, three time gladiator and avid BGer. In all pervious xpacs I loved PvP, I would spam arena for hours on end and if no teammates were around I would spam random BG's just for fun. In WoD you couldn't pay me to do this.
After a few weeks of BGs/Arena at the start of WoD the decision to abandon PvP was very clear. Can't put my finger on exactly what made me feel this way but the feeling is overwhelming. Not sure what they can do to fix it, feels like they need to completely overhaul the entire PvP system. It's so bland and homogenized, item level scaling / ability scaling while in PvP combat just feels stupid. Example: "Your chimera shot hits 25% for less dmg against players." That's just Dumb. Make a separate game if this is what it's coming to. WoW is an MMO, and in my opinion for an MMO to be fun PvE/PvP need to exist together in harmony.

[Illiterate]

Holinka happened.

[Nitros14]

Does everyone REALLY need five different defensives that when they hit them you can't do anything about it and they unstoppably heal to full or go invulnerable?

[Deleted]

good old Brian says hello

[Socialhealer]

agree with you OP, vanilla-mop 270k hks, master of every battleground, 2k in 2's.

WoD, 3 bgs, 2 rbgs.

i've done more pvp in 1 day pre-wod, than this whole xpac, thats how shit it is.

holinka is a cancer that needs removing, because cancer kills, and pvp is dying.

[Bigbazz]

agree with you OP, vanilla-mop 270k hks, master of every battleground, 2k in 2's.

WoD, 3 bgs, 2 rbgs.

i've done more pvp in 1 day pre-wod, than this whole xpac, thats how shit it is.

holinka is a cancer that needs removing, because cancer kills, and pvp is dying.

Not that I disagree it's bad, but you just explained to us exactly why you're not qualified to have an opinion on the subject.


"I've tasted lots of food in my time and this food tastes really shit, thats why I haven't even tried it" - Is near enough what you just said.

[Blithe]

Not that I disagree it's bad, but you just explained to us exactly why you're not qualified to have an opinion on the subject.


"I've tasted lots of food in my time and this food tastes really shit, thats why I haven't even tried it" - Is near enough what you just said.

You don't need to have an arena rating to have an opinion on whether or not PvP is bad this expansion. Anyone with the capacity to work a computer and login to the game knows PvP is horrible at the moment.

[Dnusha]

its not pvp, its you

[dean771]

its not pvp, its you

+1 wow pvp is just as good or bad as it as always been

[Deleted]

A dumbed down game together with heavy class unbalance causes pvp to be pretty stale.
In 2v2 holy pala + anything can play bad and win, while other healers have to use multiple times as much brain power.

[Deleted]

I don't really know why all people blame Holinka for that. This mess started way before he even was made the PvP designer. If you ask me really the core problem that caused all this trouble is when they started out with the idea that basically every DPS should do almost identical damage and have identical utility in PvE (!). It wasn't even a decision about PvP that caused all this trouble.

Just look at the recent patch notes. They had to buff Haunt for PvE reasons because Affliction doesn't do enough damage there. Then they go like: "Oh shit, now Affliction is overpowered in PvP!". Next day you read "in-testing: Haunt does 25% less damage in PvP".

They are just not thinking about the overall picture. They make decisions solely on the premise that every DPS needs to be equal in PvE and then they do band-aid fixes to not make it too extreme in PvP.

The whole idea behind PvE balance in this game is just so damn wrong and the side effects on PvP are devastating.

[Durandro]

+1 wow pvp is just as good or bad as it as always been

+2 Yes, WoW PvP has always been kind of dodgy. Fun in small doses, but lacking depth.

Its why the game desperately needs seperation of PvP and PvE mechanics for the good of both aspects. No more being nerfed because your class is better at PvP than intended, and vice versa. Only way to balance the game.

[Captainn]

I pvp'd on a few characters last season but I just lost all motivation. BGs feel really unrewarding even when gearing up. Arena is just... I'm not a fan of it this expansion.

[Saladfork]

The prune was the biggest change imo. That is why this xpac feels so different from other xpacs. Real-talk, the balance isn't that much of an issue. 3's is getting better after some of the recent hotfixes. But nothing will be fun if it isn't fun to play your class. The "content" of arena/bgs/rbgs can only sway interest to a certain extent. If you enjoy playing your class, you won't mind a lack of new content. That is how it was like in previous xpacs--and that is why we were able to tolerate long seasons a bit better.

We like having moves that require using your brain. Alter-time, for example, was probably the funnest move in existence because of the potential on both offensive + defensive fronts. That ability single-handedly made my mage so much more enjoyable in MoP. Even situational abilities such as frost/fire ward or shadow ward were a lot of fun. They were situational, but it took a brain to know when to use those abilities. Losing those abilities have taken away class uniqueness. We received a lot of flashy new talents, but sadly half of the "mandatory" or "best" options are dumb passives.

I still have hopes for the next xpac. If they end up designing very interesting abilities in the next xpac, then the prune will not have been done in vain. Homogenization is an overlooked issue. It doesn't mean we have to go back to the old days where only a select few classes had interrupts and hardly any CC. Even adding situational abilities could help reduce the homogeneity. As the skill cap for a class goes higher, people will naturally enjoy playing it and watching people play them (e.g. tournaments, gcd).

[Sussex]

Honestly WoW has never had a balance/good/fair PvP. It's always been pretty trash in that regard. You guys are kidding yourselves if you think it's ever actually been that much different than it is now.

[Theylor]

I do not know why pvp just turned to shit for you this expac. It was always shit since Catac or so... when PVP became a ping pong style of combat with ridiculous healing (mind numbingly idiotic spamming with no consideration of that blue bar called mana that people used to watch so it would not get depleted in 10 seconds) and ridiculous burst to overcome it... with the moronic devs saying "ööööhhhh but a healerz needz to easily heal 3 players in 3v3. Dat is wat iz important screw anything elselolll" Ofc that competency (sarcasm) was only displayed when they actually gave 10% of their time to PVP rather than PVE.

Vanilla was way worse in terms of balance but overall it was infinitely better than what these retards (both GC and Holinka...I can't believe Holinka turned out to be much worse) made of this game. Homogenizing every class etc.... I can list a 100 idiotic things now but I can't be bothered as it's not worth it. I unsubbed and deleted the game months ago and never looked back. I'm not going to give them a dime unless they openly admit that they are mentally retarded and incompetent and that they will be firing the whole staff and hiring people who have a clue instead of turning wow into a shitty fb game for the stupid masses. i.e. never.

[Deleted]

What I don't like about the current pvp system is gearing. It's completely linear and from one source only. Gear cannot be really customized, just a few enchants, no gems, not really diverse builds. Mana is just another blue energy bar for most users, and the energy depletes only when a specific spell is used, to be quickly regained back. Would be more interesting if some spells didn't cost any mana and some spells did with very slow mana regen. Also healers.

There is no surprise to who you are fighting against in arena and you can set your talents accordingly. I find it boring. When I played back in BC, druids didn't cast mark of the wild on their allies just to surprise enemies. Speaking of buffs, I find the current iteration of buffs very boring as well.

[GodEmperor]

Arena really isn't that bad other than small problems that they can fix easily like

Aff lock damage. Seriously fix this they burst harder with spread damage than single target specs now
Frost Mage CC
Enhancement shaman current level of retardedness in Turbo cleave. Offheals, purge spam and now they have good damage too.
Pally God comp still cancer. Make Shadow actually cast something.

Decrease hybrid heals and DPS self heals more and revert the 15% healing nerf to healers.

[Deleted]

Arena really isn't that bad other than small problems that they can fix easily like

Aff lock damage. Seriously fix this they burst harder with spread damage than single target specs now
Frost Mage CC
Enhancement shaman current level of retardedness in Turbo cleave. Offheals, purge spam and now they have good damage too.
Pally God comp still cancer. Make Shadow actually cast something.

Decrease hybrid heals and DPS self heals more and revert the 15% healing nerf to healers.

yeah no healing is still absurd in general without the hybrid heals rofl

[Priority]

I think the crazy healing would be fine if every class didn't have a bunch of defensive CD's, and long cc chain potential. Even with healing as nuts as it is, with no defensive CD you can still drop even with a healer bombing heals into you if people have offensive CD's up. That doesn't apply as much to 2's but I don't know what you can do about heal/dps in 2's, though with a less amount of defensive CD's you would see more double dps for sure.