Hands on Mythic Kormrok

[toothreaper]

Greetings to the warlock community and all that is bad and evil,

So my guild killed kormrok mythic yesterday and While my damage on the hands was ok, I am looking to do more..
we have 3 hunters, 3 warlocks, and 2 mages and 1 shaman and it seems that those classes are the ones competing for the "Guild DPS Whore" award..

To be more clear here's what happened:
Once I read [Dragging Hands] on my screen, I immediately used Cataclysm and the cast went off before the hands even spawned.. [I know -.-]
On the second hands, I think I missed some of them because I was a few seconds late [I used cata after the hands spawned, and its cast time is 2.5 sec]
On the third hands, I used cata but it didn't hit all targets because the raids members were not stacked up properly and alot moved in a direction different than the others..

The last hands problem should not be happening, but I personally cant control that so my question is:
Is there any way to know when to start casting Cataclysm?

I've watched some warlock PoV kill videos, and it seems that some of them are using a weak auras string to know exactly when to use cata..
Like literally they started to cast Cataclysm and it went off as soon as the hands spawned..

Your input is highly appreciated!

[Terryn]

When his cast time for hands finishes he has about 1 second before the hands actually appear

My ritual was
1) When cast time goes off, go Meta and start hellfire aura. Get one last SF on boss to maintain the 2p for fel guard ww and move fel guard to the pile
2) Cast finishes: start cata on group. Start ww during cast
3) Blow your Chaos Wave load on hands. Remember you may have to re orientate your player direction because hands will start moving.

Link to my POV (ignore the clicking and the random roommate at the end of VOD...)
https://youtu.be/rb2Cua0oU84

Collect 100k+ parses


Something to note: if you already have 3 locks it's honestly going to be better for at least one, if not 2, to go ether afl or destro as one lock can do 40% hand damage on his own. Raid splash should be able to take care of the rest of that

[Zevoa]

3) Blow your Chaos Wave load on hands. Remember you may have to re orientate your player direction because hands will start moving.

There is no facing requirement for CW... make sure your pet is standing wherever you're spawning the hands, so it isn't Felstorming off in Narnia.

[Terryn]

There is no facing requirement for CW... make sure your pet is standing wherever you're spawning the hands, so it isn't Felstorming off in Narnia.

Strange I was having issues with it last night. May be something else going on then idk.

[Gaidax]

I'm not sure, but are you actually asking how to pad harder when your group already kills hands in 2 seconds flat and has like shitton of AoE burst anyway?

Here is what you should do: spec out of Demo into something more useful, so you can actually help your team kill the boss before the 4 minutes 30 seconds clusterfuck happens, instead of just trying to look pretty on Skada.

[Zevoa]

Does it really matter? Who's struggling with Kromcock now anyway?

If you're essentially soloing the hands you'll do more boss damage as Demonology then you will as Destruction/Affliction anyway.

[toothreaper]

Thanks for the replies, really appreciate it.. got a full picture now

@Terryn
Cool video .. Liked!
one question though: why did you have your felguard taunt active? >> ya I notice all little details :d

@Gaidax
Yes I can go affliction and leave the AOE to everyone else, but whats wrong with trying to look pretty xD

[kaib]

if someone specced cata for that fight, i'd remove them from my raid right away. but if you really wanna win the dmg meter, you shouldn't attack the boss until 8s or so to hands. then get all your procs up and cataclysm with every proc/buff up.

pretty pointless though, if you want to keep farming smooth, go affliction to maximize boss dps. lots of other classes get the necessairy burst aoe pretty much for free. but yeah, if you just want to win the dmg meter, I doubt you want to cast any spells before the hands spawn. and use two trinkets with a strong proc, while we're at it.

[Haikus]

if someone specced cata for that fight, i'd remove them from my raid right away. but if you really wanna win the dmg meter, you shouldn't attack the boss until 8s or so to hands. then get all your procs up and cataclysm with every proc/buff up.

pretty pointless though, if you want to keep farming smooth, go affliction to maximize boss dps. lots of other classes get the necessairy burst aoe pretty much for free. but yeah, if you just want to win the dmg meter, I doubt you want to cast any spells before the hands spawn. and use two trinkets with a strong proc, while we're at it.

Lots of guilds use a demo lock/arms warrior to burst the hands super fast especially on first kills.

[striderZA]

if someone specced cata for that fight, i'd remove them from my raid right away.

Are you serious?

[Deleted]

if someone specced cata for that fight, i'd remove them from my raid right away. but if you really wanna win the dmg meter, you shouldn't attack the boss until 8s or so to hands. then get all your procs up and cataclysm with every proc/buff up.

pretty pointless though, if you want to keep farming smooth, go affliction to maximize boss dps. lots of other classes get the necessairy burst aoe pretty much for free. but yeah, if you just want to win the dmg meter, I doubt you want to cast any spells before the hands spawn. and use two trinkets with a strong proc, while we're at it.

Do you know the legendary ring ?

[Terryn]

Thanks for the replies, really appreciate it.. got a full picture now

@Terryn
Cool video .. Liked!
one question though: why did you have your felguard taunt active? >> ya I notice all little details :d

Its just the threat buff. He doesn't actually taunt the boss and unless your tanks are bad he shouldn't ever have Agro over them

[Nevalus]

if someone specced cata for that fight, i'd remove them from my raid right away.

Use ring on hands, do 4m damage with cata, spam chaos wave, get 2-3m ring explosion ST damage. Top single target meter while saving raid from hands = win. You get to do this twice.

[splosher]

It's not like kromrok is hard or anything so I'm not saying that playing demo is hurting your raid, but you do realize that when you proc the ring on hands (which is smart to do) it doesn't matter who does the hand damage the amount of hp that the hands have combined is the same so the damage from the ring proc will be the exact same assuming the hands die within the ring proc (which they will) the only part that you can make the ring proc stronger on is doing more boss damage. Technically if you're going for a speed kill you'd probably just want classes that do passive cleave or don't lose lots of boss damage for aoeing (dks, mages using supernova, hunters pressing barrage, etc...) and then just have everyone else go for full out boss damage during the ring proc, but most guilds typically just like to swap people to pad on hands on bosses like this so expect to see a bunch of that on the top of the parses. DS/DS demo could actually be good for boss damage too because HoG on those hands will give you a lot of fury and soulfire procs, but I'm not sure if it would compete with affliction. I've just been playing destro and padding on hands a little, but still doing decent boss damage whenever we start public logging I'll probably go with aff for guildspeedkill or demo for being a padwhore.

Edit: as for the question posed in the topic header. If you are just trying to pad on hands then the best way to do that is to do what people play on mannoroth which is the old tier from BRF. You would DS precast cataclysm in casterform, meta, cwavex3, wait to see if you get lucky procs and spam cwave more if you get them. You'd also want to make sure that you are running DS glyph so that you get it for more hands. I'm not sure how many hands is typical in a kill if its only 3 then you could have ds up for all 3 without needing the glyph so I'd just do that. I'd run seethe/dsi for this or dsi/gsr if you don't have seethe.

[Zevoa]

if someone specced cata for that fight, i'd remove them from my raid right away. but if you really wanna win the dmg meter, you shouldn't attack the boss until 8s or so to hands. then get all your procs up and cataclysm with every proc/buff up.

pretty pointless though, if you want to keep farming smooth, go affliction to maximize boss dps. lots of other classes get the necessairy burst aoe pretty much for free. but yeah, if you just want to win the dmg meter, I doubt you want to cast any spells before the hands spawn. and use two trinkets with a strong proc, while we're at it.

If you're essentially soloing the hands you'll do more boss damage as Demonology then you will as Destruction/Affliction anyway.

[Tramzh]

did u really make a thread asking how to pad on kormrok i mean come on man

[Zevoa]

It's actually all effective damage in this situation.

[Violetti]

It's actually all effective damage in this situation.

the singletarget ringdamage generated by aoe on hand is limited by the hands hp, so you basiclly just grab a bigger portion of it, when you specc into aoe
demo is basically just dragging everyone elses ring dmg down to shine himself.

[Deleted]

the singletarget ringdamage generated by aoe on hand is limited by the hands hp, so you basiclly just grab a bigger portion of it, when you specc into aoe
demo is basically just dragging everyone elses ring dmg down to shine himself.

So they can then focus on ST instead of AoE on the hands!
Problem solved!

[Gaidax]

It's actually all effective damage in this situation.

No its not because your raid does not gain any damage here, because hands HP is finite, ring damage they produce is too capped so all you do is just deal damage at expense of everyone else there and then struggle the rest of the time in the encounter.

You will look awesome on meters, but your raid effectively lost your single target damage and did not gain anything in return.

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So they can then focus on ST instead of AoE on the hands!
Problem solved!

Or you can just spec into something that does actual useful damage and actually helps the raid.