"Artifacts are an alternative path"

[PrairieChicken]

Ok so recent interview had this quote about progression:

Players often say they have the most fun during the start of the expansion when there is so much to do. After that the progression options narrow, as the main focus is on increasing your item level. Artifacts are an alternative path that keep things interesting and relevant.

So basically
raiding = item level
everything else = artifact level?

If this is true then I would be very disappointed that they are continuing raid or die model

[Dhrizzle]

Why do people think raiding and dying are mutually exclusive? When I raided I used to die all the time.

[Deleted]

I'm really confused..

Is this a thread complaining about how to get the best gear, you have to raid?

Or am I missing something?

[Fawkess]

You still get gear from other sources it would be crazy to think not, they are saying that you have another reason to do older content after launch because of artifact power like dungeons or world content

[Deleted]

Why do people think raiding and dying are mutually exclusive? When I raided I used to die all the time.

topkek

In all seriousness - wow is an mmo rpg, you're supposed to group up to do pve content. THAT is the core of WoW. Raiding is what you're supposed to do in wow, everything else is just stuff for you to do outside of raiding. PvP is a side-game (yes). A well developed sidegame with lots of content (arguable).

[Glorious Leader]

As I understand it's their attempt to give you a reason to do other content without actually giving you a reason to do other content. Likely raids will still award the best upgrades for the artifact making all other content worthless once again.

[Daetur]

You'll be able to increase your Artifact Power, and likely its ilvl, though most non-raid content, providing a larger variety of activities that will grant character strength and improvement other than raiding.

[roahn the warlock]

Ok so recent interview had this quote about progression:

Players often say they have the most fun during the start of the expansion when there is so much to do. After that the progression options narrow, as the main focus is on increasing your item level. Artifacts are an alternative path that keep things interesting and relevant.

So basically
raiding = item level
everything else = artifact level?

If this is true then I would be very disappointed that they are continuing raid or die model

It makes raiders do the non raiding content. And did you really expect to ever be more powerful than a raider? that's funny

[Yuyn]

While unlikely, it would be an interesting design if the weapons were not improved through raiding, only through other activities. Raiding, of course, would still grant piles of other high-ilvl gear, but if it didn't do anything for the weapons beyond what other activities did... Might help reinvigorate some other parts of the game.

Or it might just make things worse, who knows.

[Deleted]

The problem with artifact weapons is, in the end you're probably going to just chainrun dungeons until you have them maxed out.

[Fawkess]

The problem with artifact weapons is, in the end you're probably going to just chainrun dungeons until you have them maxed out.

There will most likely be a cap on how much you can gain per week

Also is that really a bad thing since it gives more reason to do other content and is something to do each day besides garrison type stuff

[roahn the warlock]

While unlikely, it would be an interesting design if the weapons were not improved through raiding, only through other activities. Raiding, of course, would still grant piles of other high-ilvl gear, but if it didn't do anything for the weapons beyond what other activities did... Might help reinvigorate some other parts of the game.

Or it might just make things worse, who knows.

I feel like blizzard should have learned forcing content isn't what you want. You want people to want to do content. Giving sweet mogs for artifacts will help that. People do things for cosmetic rewards all the time. They just need to be worth grinding for (Cough store is bad for the game cough)

[Deleted]

There will most likely be a cap on how much you can gain per week

Also is that really a bad thing since it gives more reason to do other content and is something to do each day besides garrison type stuff

Then you're just gonna grind dungeons until you hit that cap each week. Yay, weekly caps are such fun.

[Fawkess]

Then you're just gonna grind dungeons until you hit that cap each week. Yay, weekly caps are such fun.

Yeah but they dont want you to just max out your artifact power in 1 week and complain about having nothing to do

[Deleted]

Yeah but they dont want you to just max out your artifact power in 1 week and complain about having nothing to do

But the thing I'm doing is not new content. I'm just gonna do the same dungeons again.

[Ferg]

But the thing I'm doing is not new content. I'm just gonna do the same dungeons again.

You know that for a fact, huh?

[Kuze]

Then you're just gonna grind dungeons until you hit that cap each week. Yay, weekly caps are such fun.

The whole point of the artifact system was to give you something to do while doing what you want to do. Like PvP, dungeons etc, relics from raiding will most likely only be important IF you raid, if you don't, who cares?

[Fawkess]

But the thing I'm doing is not new content. I'm just gonna do the same dungeons again.

So? whats wrong with that, we have 9 new dungeons which means you have a 1 in 9 chance of getting the same one so your not always just doing the same one. we may also see new ones later down the line as well

[Deleted]

You know that for a fact, huh?

What for a fact? That I'm gonna run the same dungeons for leveling up my artifact weapon that I ran for gear or leveling up my character earlier in that expansion? Do you think there will be artifact-exclusive dungeons, that are just for leveling up your artifacts?

[Ferg]

What for a fact? That I'm gonna run the same dungeons for leveling up my artifact weapon that I ran for gear or leveling up my character earlier in that expansion? Do you think there will be artifact-exclusive dungeons, that are just for leveling up your artifacts?

Do you have any idea how you're going to level your artifact weapon at all?