Refugees threaten to jump off ferry in Sweden

[Daedius]

Who are we to interfere ?

[Graeham]

God forbid people want a higher standard of living, right?

Resources aren't infinite. The more of these 'refugees' that come to Europe the more strain there is upon our already bloated support networks. Everything from hospitals and schools to public transport and welfare. If they're truly so desperate to seek 'safety' then they should be thankful to be given shelter in the first safe country that they enter instead of picking and choosing where to go. They're not on holiday - and the attitude and behaviour of those threatening to put not only their lives at risk but the lives of the emergency services is absolutely atrocious.

[Deleted]

EU should invest in transport units and send them all to the US. It wouldn't really solve anything since economies are connected together, but at least we wouldn't have to read these educated American posts about rights, freedom and things they pretend to have.

[Wells]

There's not much difference between the costs in those places compared to other places.

Economic pressures aren't limited to cost. Historically, the economic pressures that created ghettos were also related to limited business and hiring opportunities among native populations for immigrants.

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EU should invest in transport units and send them all to the US. It wouldn't really solve anything since economies are connected together, but at least we wouldn't have to read these educated American posts about rights, freedom and things they pretend to have.

You know we're used to immigrants right? We'd be just fine. Not all of us get pissy when the neighborhood is a little more brown than we're used to.

[Gumboy]

So basically we should just let whoever go wherever they want even if that place can't support everyone, just because its the liberal things to do. Meanwhile the politicians live in the most racially undiverse areas in the entire country....

WHAT A SHOCK!

[Deleted]

The dublin regulation dictates you are to apply for asylum in the first EU country you arrive in. If you disregard that, you're not a refugee.

The Dublin treaty does not affect the definition of refugee by law. The Dublin treaty it's something that helps us regulate the influx.

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You know we're used to immigrants right? We'd be just fine. Not all of us get pissy when the neighborhood is a little more brown than we're used to.

You are immigrants. The entire foundation of the US was built on it. EU has far richer history and the lands are very diverse, which is something a common US citizen will never understand.

We see a little brown in action and we don't want it. France already has a massive problem that keeps growing bigger into a big brown stain that started as a little brown. The foundations of EU are the complete opposite of yours, yet you are so smart to know what's best. Keep living the dream.

[Wells]

You are immigrants. The entire foundation of the US was built on it. EU has far richer history and the lands are very diverse, which is something a common US citizen will never understand.

We see a little brown in action and we don't want it. France already has a massive problem that keeps growing bigger into a big brown stain that started as a little brown. The foundations of EU are the complete opposite of yours, yet you are so smart to know what's best. Keep living the dream.

Well they're there and that's not going to change. So its time to be big kids and adapt. You can fight it like France and just breed violence or you can work with it like the Germans.

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Well they're there and that's not going to change. So its time to be big kids and adapt. You can fight it like France and just breed violence or you can work with it like the Germans.

Adapt to this?



This happened in 3 German major cities.
I don't know, how often nationalists with their respective national flags are the cause for street riots in the USA f.e..

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Well they're there and that's not going to change. So its time to be big kids and adapt. You can fight it like France and just breed violence or you can work with it like the Germans.

Your post is nonsense and just proves my point, sadly.

[Zoranon]

If you're seeking refuge from sociopolitical hardship, you're a refugee.

Thats not how it works cupcake, a refuge is by international treaties required to ask for asylum in the first safe country he ends up in.

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Well they're there and that's not going to change. So its time to be big kids and adapt. You can fight it like France and just breed violence or you can work with it like the Germans.

Or we can do it the most reasonable way like my and other central European countries are doing right now and simply refuse to take in too many of these so called refugees.

Bottom line is, we in Central Europe are not really interested in being multiculturaly enriched by ghettos, riots and honour killings like in France or Germany.

[baskev]

Do a flip!


This is dumb and only shows they're coming to Europe for the better lifestyle/welfare.

idiots, so many things i could call all of you. yes there will be a good number of people coming here for a better live. but also a good portion is running away from ISIS. as someone who has worked for the red cross believe me when i say, extrimist ( muslims, christians, etc etc) can do very very VERY scary things. If the storys are truh ( ex volunteer that i know who comes from the region and has been there to get his family out says it is). they have no government to defend them. and isis kills in the most horrific ways, and girls and women are married out and raped at mass.

So i totally get them. If we dodnt want them to come here. how about stopping to fuck the middle east/africa up as european/western countrys and then walk away before the job is finished. And a little reminder to all of you dumb-*sses. If america didnt do it for us (help us) in ww2 we would either be speak german or russian. and most likely if we said something wrong or where something "wrong", we would end up in camps.

[Deleted]

So basically we should just let whoever go wherever they want even if that place can't support everyone, just because its the liberal things to do. Meanwhile the politicians live in the most racially undiverse areas in the entire country....

WHAT A SHOCK!

Wel, the migration is happening so whether or not we should let it happen is out of the question.
We have a choice in how to react.
1)rationally by grouping up and filtering the requests of asylum maybe we could even implement a common European policy
2)turning refugees back breaking international laws and helping traffickers make even more money.

What do you think we should do?

[ParanoiD84]

They are already getting tons of help, let's turn it around shall we? How much help would we Europeans get if war broke out, You think Arab country's would take in millions of European refugees? He'll no we would not even get half the help they are getting.

[Deleted]

Thats not how it works cupcake, a refuge is by international treaties required to ask for asylum in the first safe country he ends up in.

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Or we can do it the most reasonable way like my and other central European countries are doing right now and simply refuse to take in too many of these so called refugees.

Bottom line is, we in Central Europe are not really interested in being multiculturaly enriched by ghettos, riots and honour killings like in France or Germany.

That doesn't change the fact that they are factually refugees as per defined by international law.

[Deleted]

That doesn't change the fact that they are factually refugees as per defined by international law.

Aren't they also breaking international law by refusing to register in the first safe country they reach? Let's go with they are...and yet THAT seems to be ok?

[Zoranon]

That doesn't change the fact that they are factually refugees as per defined by international law.

No they are not, refugees have duties too if they break them, they become migrants. International law does not protect you if you do not do as you are supposed to. For example soldiers who perform perfidy by faking theirs surrender lose the right to the POW status and can be summarily executed. Refugees who do not claim asylum in the first safe country cease to be refugees.

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They are refugees.

They have to follow the rules.

But they are refugees.

Yes, but they have to follow the international law.

But they are refugees, it's up to Europe to clean the mess after the US.

[Deleted]

No they are not, refugees have duties too if they break them, they become migrants. International law does not protect you if you do not do as you are supposed to. For example soldiers who perform perfidy by faking theirs surrender lose the right to the POW status and can be summarily executed. Refugees who do not claim asylum in the first safe country cease to be refugees.

Refugees lose their status If they break the law?
That sounds absurd can out back that up?
So let's say someone leaving a refugee camp in Turkey is not a refugee in Europe anymore?
If that's what you're saying you're wrong you know.

[Deleted]

Refugees lose their status If they break the law?
That sounds absurd can out back that up?
So let's say someone leaving a refugee camp in Turkey is not a refugee in Europe anymore?
If that's what you're saying you're wrong you know.

Actually that's exactly what is being said. The whole reason for the Dublin agreement was to stop this exact shit from happening. They stop being a refugee once they have been given asylum anywhere. These people aren't seeking asylum anymore, they clearly have no intent on going back, they want a new place to live and whether you like it or not, they should not be allowed free passage all over Europe to get asylum in a different country of their choosing. It does not/should not work that way. Thus...you know..laws. Which they are/should be subject to.