Trinkets for Unholy

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Hey hey

At this very moment, what would be the BiS trinkets for Unholy postnerfs to DC?

I'm thinking UeH + Vial for BoS

What about non-breath fights and AoE/Cleave fights? Mostly I am concerned with how important it is for me to obtain the mythic DC, now that it seem to have been nerfed?

By the way also; do I wanna use DT prebreath at all times?

//Merke

PS. Frost BiS trinkets are still EDH + DC?

[Deleted]

Hey hey

At this very moment, what would be the BiS trinkets for Unholy postnerfs to DC?

I'm thinking UeH + Vial for BoS

What about non-breath fights and AoE/Cleave fights? Mostly I am concerned with how important it is for me to obtain the mythic DC, now that it seem to have been nerfed?

By the way also; do I wanna use DT prebreath at all times?

//Merke

PS. Frost BiS trinkets are still EDH + DC?

UeH + Vial
UeH + RH

EDH isnt that great for UH and DC itself is pretty bad one.

[lagunablade]

Is DC really that bad now every for xhul and gorefiend?

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Would apreciate a comment from someone, especially regarding Laguna's question

Pretty please
<3

[Saiyendra]

UeH + Vial
UeH + RH

EDH isnt that great for UH and DC itself is pretty bad one.

Doesn't DC beat Vial for stacked AoE?

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Doesn't DC beat Vial for stacked AoE?

Vial is obviously just for BoS and there really isn't proper stacked AoE fight for DC to be worth, considering how low the avg hits are, Xhul would be the only viable option really and even then i'd stick with UeH, DC is prob gonna avg like 5% of your total dmg and after 40% it's just boss left with imp waves till 20%, usually they flop during 1 cleave hit.

This is obviously assuming you have access to all these trinkets.

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Quick question: For Frost; Mythic Vial or Mythic UeH?

Or could you actually tell me this: What is the other BiS trinket for Frost other than EDH?

[Piz813]

Quick question: For Frost; Mythic Vial or Mythic UeH?

Or could you actually tell me this: What is the other BiS trinket for Frost other than EDH?

there was a post not that long ago saying M Vial was BiS for frost too. After stalking many top Frost DK armories, I saw maybe 1-3 guys with it on in frost spec out of say 40... they all use DC and EDH

[Raikh]

Well aside from extreme (or spread) AoE situations DC will beat RH to a pulp.

A DC with 5% of your damage will beat a RH with 9% of your damage easily as the strength on it will be worth more than 4% of your damage.

For example, taken from personal simming my own char. At around 86k dps I get a strength value of 11,36 dps per point. HC DC has 456 str, which would net me 5180 dps, which would be ~6% of my damage. So if the DC proc would sit at 5% the trinket would be aroun 10% of my overall damage. So in order for RH to be better wandering plague needs to be over 11% of your damage and honestly, good luck with that in non excessive AoE situations.
If you consider that for every NP boss in question the only one that comes before Zakuun and with that mythic DC is Gorefiend and given, during progression RH is solid there.

If we take now Mythic DC which has 525 strength the dps value of the strength alone s now at 5964 dps, which is ~6,9% of my damage. If we assume that the proc still sits at 5% it still raises up to 12%, which is arguably very hard to beat with a HC RH.
5% is now also beatable as DC is a bit rng and also positioning dependent. Still gonna take that 5% number thrown around as it matches my my average results for both Xhul'horac and current Mannoroth progress.
Those are ST numbers but as unholy AoE scaling is not extraordinary like it is for an enhancer and neither do we get any extra procs so the numbers should simply get bigger without really changing proportions much.

And aside from horrendous bad luck with the procs a mythic UeH should still beatsa DC at 5%. So unless your RH is at like 12% of your damage you simply won't wear it and mythic RH can barely be considered an option as you are done with the content before you even get the chance to get that trinket.
RH is that trinket you wear for suatained NP AoE when you can't utilize the other trinkets to their full extent which means that adds are spread out or you can't get close enough to effectively use DC.

RH can get quickly close to the other options but barely has the chance to really beat them. Overall RH is an incredibly bad trinket as it costs a huge maount of stats and weakens your ability tob rust or focus something down. Your ST damage also collapses for the nuke phases coming at the end of Manno and Xhul. Given on Manno you still have imps but those also have to die quickly, so its far from sustained AoE. Personally playing BoS on Manno because we have so much burst AoE that NP just sucks there and with that RH isn't even considered for me.

Also, the more MS you get the worse NP gets, as BB will trigger necrosis so often that using FeS gets rather "expensive" which takes away a good chunk of NPs damage indirectly. So you kind of need to generate a scenario where you can go full BB spam during add uptimes for NP to not lsoe a huge deal of damage to you because you need to FeS during adds. Depending on other priority targets, add uptimes and pooling requirements this can be a bit ugly and easily reach a point when you approach BiS gear and ahigh ilvl leg ring that BoS will even triumph in AoE situations, simply due to NP lacking any burst capacities.

RH is really a niche trinket and not part of your standard setup. NP can really shine if adds are up long and you need the extra oomph there. For instance mythic council, if you can really get the plague on all those images and they don't fall other instantly NP can be really really strong there and with that RH is also getting quite attractive and useful. But in general the trinket is rather bad because it takes so much fo your ST damage and makes you a pure AoE nanny but you still lack burst, so warriors and dmeo locks still spit on your Add damage as with the exception of gorefiend mythic souls all adds in HFC needs to be controlled and killed quickly which is something NP can't provide.

I personally even switched to BoS on gorefiend as for our setup I can provide the same damage via BB spam to the souls as with NP but burst the shit out of the boss with BoS during feast. And given that the ring will get stronger and I will still get more MS, a bit higher ilvl and so on I don't see myself utilizing nP at all for any encounter in a few weeks. Archi might be an exception but that is to be seen as I'm still stuck at manno for now.

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Personally, I don't even use RH for Archimonde at this point, since dogs just die instantly. I used UeH + DC last time, but I had very bad procs during dogs (1) in 1 minute. So it's hard for me to judge how good it is.

Maybe UeH + Vial and NP on Archi is the way.

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To summarize:

BoS will be best in almost any given situation in the next incoming weeks as our legendary ring becomes stronger and get more MS.
RH is pretty bad, and isn't really neccesary post-progress anylonger, except for meaby Archimonde Mythic.

So basicly get used to play Breath on every encounter is the way, fair enough. Still I'm wondering about a few things:

As Unholy, do I play DC in AoE/Cleave (ANY BOSS WHERE I DONT PLAY BREATH ATM) and UeH or do I go Vial + UeH regardless?
What talents are best to play with on Iskar and Socrethar farm?
If you're trying to get a good rank on Gorefiend, is that doable with BoS or do you need to stick with NP+RH?

And as Frost, I repeat my dying question: Is DC BiS along with EDH?

[Halliax]

To summarize:

BoS will be best in almost any given situation in the next incoming weeks as our legendary ring becomes stronger and get more MS.
RH is pretty bad, and isn't really neccesary post-progress anylonger, except for meaby Archimonde Mythic.

So basicly get used to play Breath on every encounter is the way, fair enough. Still I'm wondering about a few things:

As Unholy, do I play DC in AoE/Cleave (ANY BOSS WHERE I DONT PLAY BREATH ATM) and UeH or do I go Vial + UeH regardless?
What talents are best to play with on Iskar and Socrethar farm?
If you're trying to get a good rank on Gorefiend, is that doable with BoS or do you need to stick with NP+RH?

And as Frost, I repeat my dying question: Is DC BiS along with EDH?

I have almost the same doubt. We´re progessing on Kormrok, and Im rolling Necroblight(we still need DPS on Hands), should I use DC or Mythic Vial (holding the proc to hands)??

[Deleted]

I have almost the same doubt. We´re progessing on Kormrok, and Im rolling Necroblight(we still need DPS on Hands), should I use DC or Mythic Vial (holding the proc to hands)??

Vial will be better.

[Norest]

Does mythic pebble with UeH make more sense than DC with UeH for single target, given the huge chunk of MS on it?

[Deleted]

Quick question: For Frost; Mythic Vial or Mythic UeH?

Or could you actually tell me this: What is the other BiS trinket for Frost other than EDH?

Vial is best for a ST fight and I would pretty much NEVER run UeH for anything.

- DC and Vial for some fights.

[Piz813]

I have almost the same doubt. We´re progessing on Kormrok, and Im rolling Necroblight(we still need DPS on Hands), should I use DC or Mythic Vial (holding the proc to hands)??

Vial as said above. Hold vial and ERW from the start. you can pop gargoyle and build 15 stacks. when its time to collapse for hands, drop DnD like 2 seconds before the count down. then pop Vial as soon as them hands spawn and spam the shit outta BB!!!!!!!! pop ERW and spam that shit again!!!! its fucking fun! watch all those fury warriors' jaws drop when you shoot to like 180k!

[Deleted]

Mythic Vial --> Mythic DC on AoE fights?
And UeH as default?

Does Kormrok trinket have anything to say?

This is all as Unholy of course

[RuneDK]

The fact that a trinket of the tier prior is BiS for anything this tier is alarming and the fact that blizzard isn't hotfixing the strength trinkets is astonishing. I know theyre too busy with Legion, but you still need to give a shit about the current product.

[Deleted]

The fact that a trinket of the tier prior is BiS for anything this tier is alarming and the fact that blizzard isn't hotfixing the strength trinkets is astonishing. I know theyre too busy with Legion, but you still need to give a shit about the current product.

Well its not really the pure stats that makes this trinket so good for UH BoS, but how it perfectly lines up with BoS and ring makes it really really strong.

[RuneDK]

Right, again that's terrible design imo. I will probably never be able to get a mythic BRF done as nobody will want to do it for just me. I don't raid lead so I am screwed because the current Str trinkets are overall a joke? Blizzard should buff the Str Trinkets to kill that problem.