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    If you want to know the truth about things watch RT to find out how the US government and its affiliates are deceiving you.

    Watch european or US networks to find out how Russia and its affiliates are deceiving you.

    Watch al-jazeera for anything else when you want actual facts.

    I have little patience with the explcitly fascist authoritarian state that is Russia, but I'll say this for RT: several of their staff
    did speak out about Ukraine. Not a single American news network has had any journalist speak out against the huge influence
    of capital on the stories they report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    Watch al-jazeera for anything else when you want actual facts.
    Death to America, anyone?
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Death to America, anyone?
    al-jazeera has quite a few western reporters also active in asia, africa and you are aware of that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    al-jazeera has quite a few western reporters also active in asia, africa and you are aware of that right?
    Of course I am aware, I even watch the English version:
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    "Only with the help of Russia and Iran can we fix the middle-east"
    The real problem is, there is no fixing the Middle East. Everyone has hated everyone's for fucking ever and they will continue to do so. Sure you will have a cease fire for a time but if you give them a little while, they will be back at it. That is the way it has always been and that is the way it is likely to remain. Unless they finally blow one another up; in which case I hope they do not take the rest of us with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dontknowdoya View Post
    The real problem is, there is no fixing the Middle East.
    Not with that attitude, there's not.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Not with that attitude, there's not.
    You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. They will not stop fighting unless they want to. We can only force a cease fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    Of course I am aware, I even watch the English version:
    What happened to Mad TV? That was one of the laziest and unfunniest things I've seen, which is a tall order if you were brought up with 80's British comedians.

    Al-jazeera was set up by BBC journalists and has absolutely no political agenda at all. Americans seem to think that because their own channels are full of fuckwitted "commentators" that everyone else does the same thing. In most civilized countries news channels are just that: partisan political comment is not commonplace.
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    The arab spring shows us that there's something as 'fixing the middle east'. It was unfortunate that those events were later hijacked by other groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dontknowdoya View Post
    You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink.
    Not with that attitude, you cannot.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    If you want to know the truth about things watch RT to find out how the US government and its affiliates are deceiving you.

    Watch european or US networks to find out how Russia and its affiliates are deceiving you.

    Watch al-jazeera for anything else when you want actual facts.

    I have little patience with the explcitly fascist authoritarian state that is Russia, but I'll say this for RT: several of their staff
    did speak out about Ukraine. Not a single American news network has had any journalist speak out against the huge influence
    of capital on the stories they report.
    Yea because RussiaToday is soooooooooo honest and caring about its viewers. Its just propaganda trash that is even worse then Fox News. At least in America if you speak out against the state as a Journalist you don't end up dead like the hundreds of journalists who already have died in Russia for doing so. The only RussiaToday journalist who spoke out against Russia starting the Ukraine civil unrest was already in Washington,D.C. and so she was safe. Didn't stop RT from putting out a slandering news segment about her though once she quit.

    http://time.com/3014822/malaysia-air...an-television/

    In reality, the broadcast outlet is an unofficial house organ for President Vladimir Putin’s government. Under the guise of journalistic inquiry, it produces agitprop funded by the Russian state, and beams it around the world to nearly 650 million people in more than 100 countries. RT is Russia’s “propaganda bullhorn,” U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said recently, “deployed to promote President Putin’s fantasy about what is playing out on the ground.”
    ...
    We are lying every single day at RT,” she explained Monday afternoon in a phone interview from England. “There are a million different ways to lie, and I really learned that at RT.”
    ...
    every reporting assignment comes with a “brief” outlining the story’s conclusion. “It’s mass information manipulation,” she says. “They have a very clear idea in their mind of what they’re trying to prove.”
    ...
    Nearly every major country has a thriving state-sponsored media. (The U.S. funds media organizations like Voice of America and Radio Free Asia that target foreign populations through the Broadcasting Board of Governors.) In Russia, the domestic media have long been lapdogs, and reporters who bite their masters sometimes turn up dead. “The media in Russia are expected to be mouthpieces for power,” says Sarah Oates, a professor of journalism at the University of Maryland who studies the Russian media. “RT follows this model. They’ll mix a little bit of reality with a little bit of smearing, and they’ll steer the viewer into questioning things.”
    ...
    RT’s motto is “Question More,” which sounds like a worthy credo. In practice, it arranges those questions to light the way to specific answers. The formula is well-honed. RT hires young, telegenic correspondents who speak fluent English and believe, as Firth does, that a flawed media ecosystem benefits when broadcasters challenge the dominant narrative. And it pays them lavishly to report from far-flung battlefields or its gleaming studios. “They want you to be on air looking young, looking sexy, looking fresh. Being a bit quirky,” says Firth. “They’re after impact. They don’t mind too much about the fact checking.”
    ...
    In the aftermath of the crash last week, the RT machine kicked into overdrive, churning out a steady stream of strange reports. In an effort to implicitly assign blame on the Ukrainians, it noted the proximity of Putin’s own plane. It quoted a Russian defense ministry source asking why a Ukrainian air force jet was detected nearby. And it quoted another anonymous Russian official, who volunteered the juicy claim that a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile was operational in the vicinity at the time of the incident. This is how RT works, explains Firth: by arranging facts to fit a fantasy.
    ...
    “What they do is a very smart, slick way of manipulating reality,” she says. “In Ukraine, you’re taking a very small part of a much wider story, totally omitted the context of the story, and so what you wind up with on air is outright misinformation.”
    ...
    The site, Stopfake.org, features a long menu of whoppers from Russian media. Among the most egregious, the group’s founder told TIME, is the case of a blond actress who has cropped up in different roles over the course of conflict. The actress, Maria Tsypko, has been interviewed on state TV and identified as separatist camp organizer in Odessa, a political refugee in Sevastopol and an election monitor in Crimea, according to the site. The only thing that never changes is her affection for Mother Russia.
    ...
    These outlandish flubs are a problem for the Russian propaganda effort, which forks out millions to cloak spin as truth-telling. It’s hard to maintain the illusion when the audience can see the strings and wires behind the scenes. “It’s been a particularly effective means of propaganda, and a very effective voice for the Russian state,” says Oates. “But if you’re going to engage in propaganda, you have to do it well. They have completely embarrassed themselves.”
    ...
    “For five years, you’re kind of fighting against this—and with your colleagues you’re rolling your eyes and making jokes,” she says. “The worst-kept secret is that RT is blatant propaganda. I’m one in a very long line of people who have left for the same reason. Everyone has their breaking point. I wish I had done it sooner. But I didn’t.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidbaron View Post
    The arab spring shows us that there's something as 'fixing the middle east'. It was unfortunate that those events were later hijacked by other groups.
    It depends on how you fix it. Supporting fundamentalist groups, some of them being militant, in the name of "democracy" and "freedom" is not fixing. It's destabilizing more. The entire point of Western intervention in last decade is advertised as "helping" / "finding MDWs" but whole point was more destabilization and segregation, be it on ethnic or sectarian grounds. Each time West intervened, it got even worse. One must be quite naive believe entire point is helping...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    Seems like the US strategy is to let ISIS take over Syria. Both sides in this conflict are horrendous, and lots of civilians are caught in between them. Secular states are a danger to US interests, which is why we are supporting the spread of ISIS.
    I would hazard the strategy is to maintain stalemate between Assad and ISIS. It is not in the West's interest for either of those two to win.

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    I think Assad has a point about the West arming the worst people. Personally, I don't think we should be arming anyone for free. If they want arms, they can pay for them. My taxes shouldn't be going to Al-Qaeda or ISIS. There are plenty of videos on the internet showing ISIS picking up airdrops of US-made weaponry, and it's disgusting. These are the people we were fighting in Iraq ever since we got rid of Saddam, and now we're just going to make it that much easier for them? The drops may not have been meant for ISIS, but they got them anyway, and it's unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wowsucks View Post
    RT was created as counter propaganda to the constant political pressure from the western MSM (events in Georgia, Syria and now Ukraine), and there's nothing wrong with that, unless they blatantly lie in their reports and they do not. The western powers and their propaganda have been proven wrong on Georgia, wrong on Lybia, wrong on Syria so i think RT is okay
    Sure, you'll trust a news website that runs CoD: MW2 as evidence but not more highly ranked, more free press?

    Christ almighty...

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