Is it time for a system of global laws?

[Release]

I often read on these forums many of the general problems facing humanity such as diminishing resources, poverty, environmental/bio diversity loss and over population are debated. These sorts of problems seem to be very difficult to solve with existing systems like the U.N and Treaties between so many diverse nations.

I realize many nations are addressing these problems themselves and some problems like population affect countries to different degrees but to give a an example what if all the developed nations got together used a portion of their GDP and bought the remaining rain forests with the aim of doing nothing just conserving them for the future of humanity under global ownership.

Though it sounds a little "New World Order" is it time we bring in an overarching system of laws that apply to all nations with the aim of beginning to address the problems our civilization faces?

[Deleted]

Everything involving "gloabal laws" or a world government gets a giant "Hell no" from me.

[Valynor]

No, because the cultures are different... thats why..

[Mellomania]

Think there are some relating to warfare that are pretty close to global.

[Kasierith]

Hey, anyone still have nukes?

Anyone?

Oh, the US, the UK, France, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, probably Israel?

Ok, no global laws.

There's a reason why all five permanent SC council members are capable of nuclear warfare.

[Jibjub]

Hell no. It's time for far fewer laws. And, if anything, we need to go back to communities taking care of themselves. The Internet and Social Media has fucked so much up it's ridiculous. There is no reason for us to give a shit about what is happening across the country / world (unless it's atrocious) when we can't even get shit right in our own little lives. When we can't even treat our own family members and loved ones very well.

I'll give GK Chesterton the last words:

“We do not need to get good laws to restrain bad people. We need to get good people to restrain us from bad laws.”

“When you break the big laws you do not get freedom. You do not even get anarchy. You get small laws.”

[Release]

Hell no. It's time for far fewer laws. And, if anything, we need to go back to communities taking care of themselves. The Internet and Social Media has fucked so much up it's ridiculous. There is no reason for us to give a shit about what is happening across the country / world (unless it's atrocious) when we can't even get shit right in our own little lives. When we can't even treat our own family members and loved ones very well.

I'll give GK Chesterton the last words:

“We do not need to get good laws to restrain bad people. We need to get good people to restrain us from bad laws.”

“When you break the big laws you do not get freedom. You do not even get anarchy. You get small laws.”

I find this admirable but short sighted this would be fine if we didn't live in a world with global consequences under your ideals how we would address climate change?

[Revi]

Sure. Let's decide on them by global majority vote then. Will completely fuck over LGBT rights, women's rights and welfare, but that's the democratic way. And to enforce them we've need drastic sanctions, making us suffer until we bend to it, or weapons to wage global war on everyone who won't give up western values.

What could possibly go wrong? :|

[Release]

Sure. Let's decide on them by global majority vote then. Will completely fuck over LGBT rights, women's rights and welfare, but that's the democratic way. And to enforce them we've need drastic sanctions, making us suffer until we bend to it, or weapons to wage global war on everyone who won't give up western values.

What could possibly go wrong? :|

Right so we do nothing then 10 billion and upwards? Warming world? Using far more resources than is possibly sustainable?

[XangXu]

Well the idea of holding absolute allegiance to a plot of land, just because your mother birthed on on that plot of land is kind of stupid.

Most of what makes a nation "good" are things that most nations already agree with...

It is almost 2016... The world should evolve to become ONE nation. One human nation without petty things like nationality or colour or the importance of what portion of land we were born on.

[Deleted]

Well the idea of holding absolute allegiance to a plot of land, just because your mother birthed on on that plot of land is kind of stupid.

Most of what makes a nation "good" are things that most nations already agree with...

It is almost 2016... The world should evolve to become ONE nation. One human nation without petty things like nationality or colour or the importance of what portion of land we were born on.

Yeah, this is just a dream that some people jerk off to. It won't happen.

[Revi]

Right so we do nothing then 10 billion and upwards? Warming world? Using far more resources than is possibly sustainable?

You assume for some reason that a global government will agree to restrict reproductive rights and fight climate change. Why?

Everyone who wants this global state are always assuming the state will have THEIR ideals, but no one ever explains how that's anything else than a ridiculously unlikely dream. Looking at the entire world today, do you think most people agree with your politics?

Or are you suggesting a military dictatorship?

[Deleted]

You guys are hilariously naive. Special interest groups and lobbyists would rule the entire world in no time. All it would mean for you and me is that the distance from us to the people who enact these global laws would be increased exponentially. It's already almost impossible to get your voice heard on a local level.

In 200 years perhaps if we have become more enlightened it would be feasible.

[Hyve]

Nope - Who are we, or anyone for that matter, to define how others should live their lives? We do so collectively within our nations, and to an extent regions (Europe, for example) for various reasons.

And how do you decide who makes these laws? If you went by religious, or cultural numbers alone you'd have Muslim or Chinese laws being imposed internationally and I'm sure most people would be extremely opposed to such a system. It's a dumb concept.

In 200 years perhaps if we have become more enlightened it would be feasible.

The same was said in 1815, 1615, 1415, 1215, 1015, and all the way back. People have believed that "In X years, we'll be smarter, better and live in utopia" ...

[Netherspark]

Impossible while nations remain separate.

Baby steps though...

[Kasierith]

The same was said in 1815, 1615, 1415, 1215, 1015, and all the way back. People have believed that "In X years, we'll be smarter, better and live in utopia" ...

I'd say that the current status of how people live is a significant improvement over things back in 1015.

[Kaganfindel]

Well the idea of holding absolute allegiance to a plot of land, just because your mother birthed on on that plot of land is kind of stupid.

Most of what makes a nation "good" are things that most nations already agree with...

It is almost 2016... The world should evolve to become ONE nation. One human nation without petty things like nationality or colour or the importance of what portion of land we were born on.

What happens if that one world nation's laws are abhorrent to you? What if that nation's law is Sharia, or something equally brutal? Where do you go to live on your own terms when there's only one set of terms?

Fuck that. Fuck it in the ass with a chainsaw.

[zealo]

Right so we do nothing then 10 billion and upwards? Warming world? Using far more resources than is possibly sustainable?

About overpopulation, the world has already reached peak child with current replacement rates, global birth rates have been spiralling downwards for decades. Its expected to cap out at about 10 billion, which effectively means there is not going to be any "upwards" after that point.

[GennGreymane]

As much as I would like it, its not possible at this time.

[The Kao]

More like, it's past the appropriate time already but it won't ever happen anyway. It's simply not possible in a world in which everyone is told they alone are the most important thing in existence from the day they are born.