Hillary Turns Left

[Yvaelle]

Bill Clinton was on The Late Show earlier this week and Colbert asked him about Bernie Sanders (and Donald Trump), Bill gave his usually accurate and insightful perspective - but seemed a little better informed himself by what he had ultimately concluded.




Today, Hillary proposed retroactively increasing the Statute of Limitations for Financial Crimes so that proper investigations could occur into the 2008 Financial Collapse for criminal fraud. The articles are saying she called to jail bankers - but really she hardly implied that - even with the increase to the statute she is proposing they still would be exempted today: it would only really work going forward.

Her claim to not support another bailout was interesting (matching Bernie's position), because I'm actually not sure bailing out the banks was the wrong move - the wrong move was not purchasing partial (or full, really) ownership of the banks that were bailed out. They were necessary financial institutions and still are, letting them rot would have been catastrophic - the problem in my view was giving them back to the same bankers for free.

She's also still not in support of the new Glass-Steagall Act that Elizabeth Warren wrote, so really she's tiptoeing Left now that Bernie is ahead of her - but I still think it's a big move: one most of us saw coming, but it's here now.

Edit: Also just for reference, Glass-Steagall was repealed originally by Bill Clinton - who stands by his decision.

[Super Friendly Kitty Cat]

I don't trust a single thing Hillary says she is going to do when President. Especially this. Her entire campaign is being financially paid for by bankers.

"Hey guys, I am totally going to throw all these bankers in jail, don't worry about who is funding my campaign, trust me." -Hillary

[Imperial]

I don't trust a single thing Hillary says she is going to do when President. Especially this. Her entire campaign is being financially paid for by bankers.

Pretty much this. No faith in the lying cunt.

[Nadiru]

Retroactive changes are not conducive to a stable rule of law, even if all you're looking to do is jail financial managers who robbed the country of billions. Honestly, I'd prefer vigilantism to retroactively punishing someone.

[Yvaelle]

I don't trust a single thing Hillary says she is going to do when President. Especially this. Her entire campaign is being financially paid for by bankers.

I completely agree - it's why I wanted to be the one to post this - so I could frame the discussion by underlining that even with her retroactive appeal, she still wouldn't actually be able to legally "jail bankers": since that's how I expect this story to spread - but isn't possible given what she's proposing.

Retroactive changes are not conducive to a stable rule of law, even if all you're looking to do is jail financial managers who robbed the country of billions. Honestly, I'd prefer vigilantism to retroactively punishing someone.

I agree, it's purely a soundbyte though - saying she wants to increase the statute of limitations to a time which is longer than it is, but still not long enough to go after the 2008 bankers - is a good way to sound Warren/Sanders-ish (like she is serious and actually cares), but secretly know - and can assure her donors - that they are still perfectly safe.

[zenkai]

Hillary is a crooked politician, I don't care what her beliefs are, they could 100% be in line with my own and I would still not vote for her. Anyone with half a brain knows this, this is why an unknown with practically 0 experience beat her in the last Presidential race.

[Borgia]

Hillary is the embodiment of a shady politician that's in bed with god knows who that is actually pulling the strings.

[Malachi256]

Hillary is the embodiment of a shady politician that's in bed with god knows who that is actually pulling the strings.

Pretty much this. Go ahead and vote for Hillary if you generally support her Democrat principles, but you can't complain about politicians if you do... because she's the ultimate politician.

[Vyxn]

H. Clinton had to turn left to try to steal the base away from Sanders but doing so is going to make her unelectable in the general election

[dixincide]

I thought we were talking about literally turning left.

[Herecius]

Don't trust a damn thing she says or care about what she states she supports or is against.

Easy example: Trans-Pacific Trade Deal. Hillary was well aware that many people have been ultra skeptical of it, have not supported it, and have hated the way the entire thing has been constructed largely in secret, with the little bits we have heard about up to this point been extremely concerning.

And yet, it wasn't until after it was actually finalized that she comes out against it. It's utterly transparent, a pure attempt to allow her to internally support something while trying to make herself appealing to those that actually would hold opposite views from her. Utter snake.

I may be registered as a Democrat, but dammit she makes me embarrassed for my own party in the same way I hope Trump or Cruz make most Republicans embarrassed for theirs.

The reason I support Bernie, despite not at all convinced that the socialist-leaning policies of small European countries have zero chance of working in the US, is twofold: one, he strikes me as a good person who legitimately attempts to reach compromises, something practically nobody else in our shitty Congress seems to do, and two, his policies, stances, and generally his beliefs have been clear and consistent since before I was even born.

[Yvaelle]

I thought we were talking about literally turning left.

It was an intentional reference, because up until now Hillary has been a uni-turner: she could only turn Right

[Malachi256]

But that Sanders... so hot right now.

[Damajin]

H. Clinton had to turn left to try to steal the base away from Sanders but doing so is going to make her unelectable in the general election

Pretty much, she has no bona fides as anything other than a hardline authoritarian tied directly to Wall Street and the banks, so this is just another one of her rely on the forgetfulness of the electorate tactics which in the internet age isn't working as well as it did in the past. As the self proclaimed most transparent person in American history though it's clear Hillary will say or do anything to remain in the running for the job she's always thought was hers.

Her only chance is if Trump actually does win the nomination and then torpedoes his campaign to fulfill the Trojan Horse role many expect from him. On her own she's a terrible candidate with more baggage than any other politician I can think of.

[Puremallace]

Retroactive changes are not conducive to a stable rule of law, even if all you're looking to do is jail financial managers who robbed the country of billions. Honestly, I'd prefer vigilantism to retroactively punishing someone.

In other words wreck the economies of every single major advanced country in the world and wipe out 13 trillion but not do shit. The guys who caused that shit should have been shot in the street. Those cocksuckers affected the rest of my life because I am stuck with 14 grand in student loans because I lost my job, was forced to drop out of college, and almost ended up homeless.

They get no pity from me.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

It was an intentional reference, because up until now Hillary has been a uni-turner: she could only turn Right

Don't worry, she'll continue through her anti-clockwise turn and end up back on the right.

You can't establish the precedent of retroactive application of the law. That's just a terrible idea. Not to mention the fact that she will never jail a financier, because she is having her campaign paid for by Wall Street.

[Zoldor]

Her like most of the repbublican side are all traditional american style politicians. If anyone is getting a shot from me that I'm willing to gamble on its Sanders. If he lies to me at least his lies sound good. Everyone else I know is BSing me. Sanders might not be as his voting history follows the lines he claims. I know for sure Trump, Carlson, Bush or Clinton are all going to be the exact same shit I've had before with little follow through and tons of corporate hand jobs. I'll gamble four years on Sanders' promises and if he doesn't follow through at least at one point I believed he would instead of just being like which dick bag is going to fuck me the least.

[Deleted]

No faith in the lying cunt.

I agree with the late Robin Williams, the c word is the most dislikable of all. Do you have to spout misogyny to make a political point? You do realise it just makes the neutral reader disregard your opinion as offensive?

[Theodarzna]

Hillary Clinton comes off as running for president simply to be president. To establish a political dynasty and cement it much as the Bush family has. However Bernie Sanders (and Donald Trump) both to some degree have respective campaign issues they run on. Though I suspect for Trump its entirely about self branding, Bernie has a core set of principles that can be rallied around. Clinton? Clintons main appeal is her alleged electability. But what good is an electable candidate that won't do jack shit for us?

[enragedgorilla]

Watch a Lamprey get landed, see it twist,writhe and slip trying desperately to get away or attach itself to the next "victim".

Lamprey has better taste though.