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[EllissonWatson]

so Russia is a primary trading partner.

[KyrtF]

No, the way it works is that in case of need they are given loans from state banks, then those loans get payments "frozen for a few years", then they are written off totally.
If it's critical enterprise noone is going to let it fail that easily.

You miss the point. If an enterprise can't fail because it is critical, then you end up with low quality products that are expensive because the government has no other option than to buy what is produced. It also requires the tax payer to fund the bailout.

So the cost of the tanks becomes - lets say $200 bn rubles each. "Nice and cheap".
And then we add on 200-400bn or whatever in five years because the company needs to be "saved". You end up with a "cheap" tank whose true cost is much greater than the headline figure....the tax payer has simply bailed the company out.

Jobs are important, and military-industrial complex keeps many people employed. Still going to be cheaper then results of US "lobbying" corruption in the end.

The "lobbying" you protest against gave the world the greatest military and the strongest economy in history as exemplified by a tank design Russia MAY have equalled (at best) forty years later. And kept millions of people in work.

America and the West isn't perfect and anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar. But that doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Quite slowly, in fact. For "quickly" check out Ukraine - with their nearly 20+% GDP drop in 2014 and similar downturn this year, on the verge of default.

No...Russia is dropping quickly. What's happening in Ukraine is much worse.

Which is a good thing too. Makes different areas prioritised to get revenues back up.

Which would be of benefit if Putin appeared interested in doing so, or had the funds to take advantage.

He is actually investing in economy. Military-industrial complex is also part of economy anyway, and fairly profitable too (we are world second on arms exports for a reason).

He's investing in the military and not the industries nations need to secure a prosperous future.

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One has to be mentally ill to still believe in the US propaganda.

[Easo]

Shaped charged warheads are the only practical option for man-portable tank killers though. Slat armor (or even a roll of chain link) is a cheap and light counter to them. It is impractical to provide enough RHA equivalent to defeat APFSDS rounds even from small 85mm guns.

I don't understand the last sentence, because, IIRC, Abrams can't destroy other Abrams with it's own 120 mm gun, firing said APFSDS. It simply will not penetrate frontal armor. Russia still has Mango as it's main round (if nothing radical has happened) - it's 400-500mm RHA penetration won't be enough, and as with Abrams, stuff like T-90 also will hold against it. Obviously sides and rear are vulnerable in all cases.
And 85mm (basically no one is using this caliber at the moment) guns are far less powerful than 120-125mm.

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One has to be mentally ill to still believe in the US propaganda.

Oh, please...

[Kellhound]

I don't understand the last sentence, because, IIRC, Abrams can't destroy other Abrams with it's own 120 mm gun, firing said APFSDS. It simply will not penetrate frontal armor. Russia still has Mango as it's main round (if nothing radical has happened) - it's 400-500mm RHA penetration won't be enough, and as with Abrams, stuff like T-90 also will hold against it. Obviously sides and rear are vulnerable in all cases.
And 85mm (basically no one is using this caliber at the moment) guns are far less powerful than 120-125mm.

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Oh, please...

We are discussing rear armor, not frontal armor,

[Easo]

We are discussing rear armor, not frontal armor,

In that case, yes. Unless you want Maus MK II

[Mifuyne]

Is this one of those threads where all the russian internet trolls come crawling from under their rocks?