EFF: the Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared (direct quote)

[Fugus]

http://politics.slashdot.org/story/1...that-we-feared

"Wikileaks has released the finalized Intellectual Property text of the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which international negotiators agreed upon a few days ago. Unfortunately, it contains many of the consumer-hostile provisions that so many organizations spoke out against beforehand. This includes the extension of the copyright term to life plus 70 years, and a ban on the circumvention of DRM. The EFF says, "If you dig deeper, you'll notice that all of the provisions that recognize the rights of the public are non-binding, whereas almost everything that benefits rightsholders is binding. That paragraph on the public domain, for example, used to be much stronger in the first leaked draft, with specific obligations to identify, preserve and promote access to public domain material. All of that has now been lost in favor of a feeble, feel-good platitude that imposes no concrete obligations on the TPP parties whatsoever." The EFF walks us through all the other awful provisions as well — it's quite a lengthy analysis."

Direct link: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/1...-all-we-feared

"Quite honestly there are no parts of this agreement that are positively good for users. Of course, that doesn't mean that it's not improved over the earlier, horrendous demands of the U.S. negotiators. Some of the areas in which countries rightly pushed back against the U.S., and which are reflected in the final text are:"

[I Push Buttons]

You mean to tell me that a guy who creates something and his family can retain the rights to what he creates!?!!??!? And people aren't allowed to bypass a companies attempts at protecting their work!!?!?!

Oh the horror!

[Fugus]

You mean to tell me that a guy who creates something and his family can retain the rights to what he creates!?!!??!? And people aren't allowed to bypass a companies attempts at protecting their work!!?!?!

Oh the horror!

70 years past the life of the artist or author defeats the entire point of the copyright to begin with. And it isn't THEIR work at that point. It should be public domain after 28 years minimum, not 100+ years.

Or making it illegal to get around DRM even for legitimate means.

And a whole list of other issues.

I honestly hope you quote was just an attempt to be true to your handle and not your actual opinion or else you are hitting Orlong territory there.

[Theodarzna]

At this point Copyright law is crushing all creativity.

These money hungry parasites just are too much.

[Puremallace]

You mean to tell me that a guy who creates something and his family can retain the rights to what he creates!?!!??!? And people aren't allowed to bypass a companies attempts at protecting their work!!?!?!

Oh the horror!

The patent for Edisons light bulb would still be in effect. Be careful what you wish for. Computers would have never been invented because by circuits controlling these things were patented by Texas Instruments.

THERE WOULD BE NO SILICON VALLEY. This is a shocking fucking nightmare and makes me feel like I voted for Romney

[Strangebrew]

You mean to tell me that a guy who creates something and his family can retain the rights to what he creates!?!!??!? And people aren't allowed to bypass a companies attempts at protecting their work!!?!?!

Oh the horror!

>protect their work.


Hahahahahahaha.
DRM is fucking cancer, and you should be ashamed for defending it.



Watching TPP slowly creeping it's way into our lives, all i can think is that as a society we're progressing backwards, not forwards.
This is a fucking nightmare.

[Puremallace]

>protect their work.


Hahahahahahaha.
DRM is fucking cancer, and you should be ashamed for defending it.

At this point I feel like I voted for Romney. I look forward to House Democrats completely wrecking this bullshit. Republicans are too divided and are going to get chewed up alive by their base over this.

Might as well call it One World Nation and say fuck it already

[Strangebrew]

At this point I feel like I voted for Romney. I look forward to House Democrats completely wrecking this bullshit. Republicans are too divided and are going to get chewed up alive by their base over this.

Might as well call it One World Nation and say fuck it already

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't Hillary go out against TPP aswell? Leaving almost every democrat running to be against this shit.
If i'm right, this should make TPP to have a hard time to pass in america.

But obviously, if Canada goes through with it, that puts alot of pressure on america, if america goes through with it, it puts alot of pressure on UK and rest of europa, certain countries love to play mini-america.
It's terrifying that there is so many people who is completely oblivious about this and have no clue what how much this impacts our every day lives in an negative way.

[Emageht Tsoluoy]

What the fucking fuck.

This is not America.

This is some fucked up twisted corporate utopia nightmare country.

is there any land left on earth i can make a country with?

this one is filled with shit.

[Underverse]

At this point I feel like I voted for Romney. I look forward to House Democrats completely wrecking this bullshit. Republicans are too divided and are going to get chewed up alive by their base over this.

Might as well call it One World Nation and say fuck it already

Not a bad concept. But I don't see what this has to do with anything; trade pacts don't inherently have to lead to state-mandated corporate welfare, and in fact are really only likely to do so in a competitive system like the one we have today.

[Puremallace]

Not a bad concept. But I don't see what this has to do with anything; trade pacts don't inherently have to lead to state-mandated corporate welfare, and in fact are really only likely to do so in a competitive system like the one we have today.

So here is the problem:

. Most US manufacturing is outsourced any fucking way so this REALLY and I MEAN REALLY fucks China because they will outsource from China to Vietnam. Less regulation so go ahead and pollute away and dump all you want. Labor in Vietnam compared to China where wages are going up are dirt cheap

. My concern is about turning ISP's into an effective police state having to monitor every move any signing country makes

. My concern is coal companies can take nations to court over loses from those countries switching from coal and effecting their profits

At this point I will vote Sanders in the Primary and Hillary in the General. Basically how I feel at this point. I just feel sorry that these poor emerging markets are about to get over run by corporate greed.

[Independent voter]

Japanese comin to take my anime shows.

[Puremallace]

Japanese comin to take my anime shows.

It does make you wonder because anybody who is anybody watches Anime through several sites online. I personally watch Dragonball Super, Fairy Tale, and Naruto S online and I bet TPP will make DMCA apply to those sites effectively shutting down a MASSSSSSSIVEEEEEEEE audience of anime watchers.

Anyone who used Napster kind of gets the same vibe from how the current set-up was before Lars Ulrich fucked it up.

[I Push Buttons]

The patent for Edisons light bulb would still be in effect. Be careful what you wish for. Computers would have never been invented because by circuits controlling these things were patented by Texas Instruments.

THERE WOULD BE NO SILICON VALLEY. This is a shocking fucking nightmare and makes me feel like I voted for Romney

I enjoy arguments like this. Ignoring the fact that it is already after death plus 70 years in most of the west, including the US, every member of the European Union, Russia, etc.

All this agreement does is put Pacific nations on the same standard officially. I say officially because most involved in this agreement already have the same standard, they simply were not party to previous conventions.

[Independent voter]

http://www.crunchyroll.com/ has a free version and a premium version.

[Olo]

The patent for Edisons light bulb would still be in effect. Be careful what you wish for. Computers would have never been invented because by circuits controlling these things were patented by Texas Instruments.

THERE WOULD BE NO SILICON VALLEY. This is a shocking fucking nightmare and makes me feel like I voted for Romney

Patents != Copyright.

But obviously, if Canada goes through with it, that puts alot of pressure on america, if america goes through with it, it puts alot of pressure on UK and rest of europa, certain countries love to play mini-america.

Europe isn't part of the TTP.

My concern is coal companies can take nations to court over loses from those countries switching from coal and effecting their profits

Something like this could only happen if the government signed a contract with the coal company then cancelled it and didn't compensate them.

[Nadiru]

Legally binding is only as binding as the enforcers make it. Haven't read all of the text yet, but without enforcement, the whole "world coming to an end" thing is nonsense.

[Kasierith]

There's very little to this agreement that looks to benefit the American people (people meaning non heads of industries and what not), in any but the most shallow and artificial and short term of manners. Most of what it entails will involve further outsourcing, decreased quality and oversight, and increased profits for companies engaging in overseas activities. In return we stabilize current prices in places like Walmart that were being threatened by China having to pull back on labor violations and pollution.

[Lorelol]

There's very little to this agreement that looks to benefit the American people (people meaning non heads of industries and what not), in any but the most shallow and artificial and short term of manners. Most of what it entails will involve further outsourcing, decreased quality and oversight, and increased profits for companies engaging in overseas activities. In return we stabilize current prices in places like Walmart that were being threatened by China having to pull back on labor violations and pollution.

TPP = Good for only corporations, garbage for everyone else.

[Kasierith]

But what about all the jobs this will create and children this will protect!

Boomzy, there is nothing more safe for a small Vietnamese 8 year old enlisting as a 16 year old than a hot, machine filled shop where you're expected to pump out a shirt every five minutes. Your sarcasm is duly noted and poorly appreciated.