NATO says will help Turkey against Russia if needed

[Theodarzna]

I'd be mostly amused that either side deemed my city worthy enough to be nuked.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2699854/Life-nuclear-war-revealed-Computer-models-reveal-Earth-suffer-20-year-long-winter-worldwide-famine.html

Life after a nuclear war revealed: Computer models reveal Earth would suffer a 20-year-long winter and worldwide famine
Researchers from Colorado studied the effects of nuclear conflict on Earth

They used climate models to predict what would become of the planet
Their research looked at the detonation of 100 'small' nuclear warheads
In their paper they conclude humanity would have been affected for decades
There would be worldwide famine, deadly frosts and huge ozone losses
The results would be the death of hundreds of millions or billions
They hope their research will be an incentive for superpowers to disarm

[Nadiru]

When it comes to the NATO (and the US in particular), judge actions, not words: "US Begins Removing Patriot Missiles from Turkey",


Don't worry Turkey, NATO has your back!

Patriot missiles are SAM installations. Nobody expects ISIS to roll up into Turkey in attack craft, but ISIS could very easily damage those systems if they do invade on foot. That doesn't mean NATO is abandoning Turkey, it means NATO recognizes that the nature of the ISIS threat is not a military one, but one of insurgency.

[ringpriest]

Patriot missiles are SAM installations. Nobody expects ISIS to roll up into Turkey in attack craft, but ISIS could very easily damage those systems if they do invade on foot. That doesn't mean NATO is abandoning Turkey, it means NATO recognizes that the nature of the ISIS threat is not a military one, but one of insurgency.

This thread isn't about any possible threat to Turkey posed by the Islamic State - read the story the OP linked again: "NATO says will help Turkey against Russia if needed". In response to worries about Russia's more aggressive position in the region, NATO has told the Turks, "Don't worry, we'll help if it comes to that", but what it's actually doing is removing the high-end air defenses they'd deployed earlier, when Turkey was worried about Syria. I know it's popular among a certain school of what calls itself "thought" to pretend that the US is invincible and Russia's military couldn't take the Three Stooges on a good day, but over in the real world, in the unfortunate and unlikely even that the balloon really does go up on Russo-Turkish War 21st Century Edition, NATO is going to want those Patriot batteries in position (assuming that NATO has any intention of actually paying attention to Article V in such a case, of course - removing them is a sign that the alliance is more likely to let Erdogan go hang).

[Kuntantee]

Patriot missiles are SAM installations. Nobody expects ISIS to roll up into Turkey in attack craft, but ISIS could very easily damage those systems if they do invade on foot. That doesn't mean NATO is abandoning Turkey, it means NATO recognizes that the nature of the ISIS threat is not a military one, but one of insurgency.

ISIS invading Turkey, capturing military base and damaging equipment... Wat? The call for taking back Patriots was political.

[Belize]

Russia bombed the hell out of the Syrian Sunni rebels, the rebels fled the area and ISIS moved in and took over the rebel territory. ISIS is one step closer to Damascus.

Womp woommppp...

[Kellhound]

This thread isn't about any possible threat to Turkey posed by the Islamic State - read the story the OP linked again: "NATO says will help Turkey against Russia if needed". In response to worries about Russia's more aggressive position in the region, NATO has told the Turks, "Don't worry, we'll help if it comes to that", but what it's actually doing is removing the high-end air defenses they'd deployed earlier, when Turkey was worried about Syria. I know it's popular among a certain school of what calls itself "thought" to pretend that the US is invincible and Russia's military couldn't take the Three Stooges on a good day, but over in the real world, in the unfortunate and unlikely even that the balloon really does go up on Russo-Turkish War 21st Century Edition, NATO is going to want those Patriot batteries in position (assuming that NATO has any intention of actually paying attention to Article V in such a case, of course - removing them is a sign that the alliance is more likely to let Erdogan go hang).

There is a good chance that the withdrawal of the Patriots has more to do with Turkey buying HQ-9s than anything else. It has not sat well with the US and other NATO members.