Chivalry: Not Dead

[Reeve]

Wow, is that really how muricans see medieval times ?

/insert medieval facepalm here...

Who said anything about Americans?

[Bryntrollian]

Who said anything about Americans?

I'm guessing he reached that conclusion by reading the mention of " Blackhawk Helicopter " in the blog post.

[TirielWoW]

http://bettermyths.com/chivalry-isnt...he-fuck-it-is/



I generally agree with most of this, though I think today we generally just call it the golden rule and move on.

Do you try to embody many of these principles? Do you think chivalry is dead?

I pretty much lost it at:

Anyway, if you’re desperate for booty, tales of chivalry aren’t the best place to go for inspiration. King Arthur’s court is basically one endless sex disaster, what with Arthur’s accidental incest and Lancelot’s righteous wangfoolery. Tristram and Isolde is a bonerific nightmare that borders on farce. Sir Galahad, the Greatest Knight Ever, is also the biggest virgin in the universe, and he is thrilled about it. It turns out you’re not even allowed to see the grail if you thought about a boob once. The chivalric canon is not overly sex positive, you guys. In fact the only problem-free sex I can recall from my chivalric reading is the story of Sir Gawaine and Lady Ragnell, in which everything turns out for the best because – spoiler alert – Gawaine leaves the decision up to his wife. Funny how that works out, huh?

I really needed a laugh, so thanks.

I think that's an interesting way to look at Chivalry, though it is still important to point out that the code of chivalry literally only applied to those of similar or higher social standing. You could still run over lower class people with your horse.

[Theodarzna]

This one time I saw a man fail to hold the door open for a woman who scoffed "Ugh what happened to Chivalry!?" the man turned, challenged her to a joust....

He proved Chivalry is very much alive, that woman though was killed when he drove a lance through her chest.

[Notchris]

Chivalry is fully alive. It's why I keep a lance and kite shield in my car. You never know when you'll need to defend your honor.

I love that modern society has perverted chivalry to be all about women though.

[nextormento]

the word “chivalry” comes from the French word “chevalier,” which comes from “cheval,” which means “horse.” Chivalry is literally just “rules for if you have a horse.”

This is not quite true.
Chevalier and cheval are related. But chevalier doesn't come from cheval. They were both developed from Latin. With their specific Latin usage. French doesn't pick words and apply their own rules to derive words: the rules also developed from Latin.

The arius/arii endings denote users of, or agents.
caballus means horse, its user caballarius means rider (or horserider).
It's essentially the "-er" in English (trumpet/trumpeter)

So far so good, but those relations are not quite so straightforward all the time:
argentum means silver, its agent argentarius means banker.
metallum means metal, its agent metallarius means miner

These words of agent, or user, may end up far from their original word. That is the case with caballarius. Because the Classic Latin word for horse is not caballus: it's equus (thus equitation, or equestrian). Caballus was used in poetry. And caballarius developed it's own meaning: knight. French developed chevalier in the context of knighthood, not horse-riding. And so did English down the line.
Chivalry is linked with the arts associated with being a knight, rather than with horses.

And, in any case, etymology arguments are glorified semantic disputes. After a couple millenia, this word is not linked with horses. At all. No matter what your insipid local activist whines it to be.

Other than that (the entire premise), I would agree chivalry doesn't necessarily get your dick wet. And that treating each others like we'd like to be treated will generally be considered (neo)chivalry.

But there are still power structures built into society

If you don't see patriarchy all over this vapid pablum, I'd suggest delving into classic radical feminist literature.

[Deleted]

I still open doors for ladies and do them small favours etc. I don't see what the problem is, it makes them smile and that makes me happy.

[Ealyssa]

Who said anything about Americans?

Retarded view of history ? Check.

And not "americans", but "muricans", you know. The unducated mass you have that don't even know that Europe isn't a country (or what medieval time were in Europe, in this context). Not saying that every americans are like this. But can't either deny that a pretty great % of the popuplation is at the bottom floor of general knowledge (and yes, history is a part of it before the "herp derp who knows history").

The OP blog post is just a wall of text that make no sense at all to people who know just a little about what actually is Chivarly.

[Deleted]

The OP blog post is just a wall of text that make no sense at all to people who know just a little about what actually is Chivarly.

Yep.

Idiotic feminist blog that only makes sense to Americans who have no sense of history and have no concept of even existing in medieval times.

[Fawkess]

Pretty sure chivalry has always been alive
I went to jail 3 times because of it

[Notchris]

Pretty sure chivalry has always been alive
I went to jail 3 times because of it

It's a shame they'd jail you for defending your honor with mounted combat.

[Realsykes]

I was always told chivalry is about treating women like objects and putting them on pedestals.

So every time a woman says chivalry is dead I snicker.

[Skayth]

I was always told chivalry is about treating women like objects and putting them on pedestals.

So every time a woman says chivalry is dead I snicker.

ehh, chivalry is dead. It truly is. i cannot bring a lance to my work place. I cannot defend my honor without being placed in jail for assault. yea... its dead.

As to a woman saying something like that, tell her she has the ability to open doors, unless she wishes for a duel, then simply ask her if she is threatening you and your honor.

[Realsykes]

ehh, chivalry is dead. It truly is. i cannot bring a lance to my work place. I cannot defend my honor without being placed in jail for assault. yea... its dead.

As to a woman saying something like that, tell her she has the ability to open doors, unless she wishes for a duel, then simply ask her if she is threatening you and your honor.

No I mean, literally, that in chivalry, women are objects. Chivalry in it's real form, is insanely the OPPOSITE of what women usually think it is.

[Templar 331]

At this point, you may be thinking “hey, this is bullshit, these are just basic guidelines for not being an asshole!” and congratulations, you’re right.

And yet people still seem to fail at them. >.>

Pretty good read though.

[Deleted]

Pretty much.

The parts about how chivalry doesn't technically mean what we think it means, and is really very medieval-times-specific, are fine.

But yes, past the mention of horses, it does veer rather ironically into feminist horseshit territory.

Well, the only real piece of horseshit I found was this:

It’s about actively trying to recruit more people of color in your workplace.

Color for the sole sake of color? Jeez, haven't we been through this already? People of color can be assholes too, you know. So how about "actively trying to recruit good people regardless of their color"?

Otherwise the article was pretty good. The point of chivalry pretty much is to not to be an asshole.

Chivalry boils down to three things: mercy, charity, and humility.

I would add one thing: courage. Courage to stand up for what is right and to uphold the truth. And, in a true knightly fashion, courage to defend and fight for good - sometimes literally, if the situation so requires and one is capable of it.

[Dhrizzle]

So basically, "How to not get ahead in life"?

More "what to do when you're already ahead in life."