One of the greatest civil rights leaders died today

[hellosaltygoodness]

All not paying your taxes means is that the rest of us have to pay more to cover your mooching off us all. Nothing honorable in that.

[Mehrunes]

Sigh... you people are all extremists these days. Your solutions are absolutely backwards and without reasoning. You work in brutish absolutes, not in intellect.

Pointing out how states work is absolutely backwards and without reasoning nowadays?

He didn't choose to come here. He was born here. His roots are here. You're telling a man who vehemently disagrees with a system, who peacefully worked to rail against it, that he should leave to a foreign land that he has no familiarity with.

Actually, Kalis presented an alternative solution: change the system with available tools. Or there's option number 3: suck it up. And it's irrelevant that he didn't choose to come here because he was born here. He benefited from the fruits of taxation and the security provided by the state since birth. That in itself creates a debt to the rest of society who paid the taxes that funded the aspects of society he benefited from. If he was of the opinion that these benefits were of lower value than the "tyranny" of paying taxes, not paying taxes isn't exactly a sensible choice here.

...You know, rather than sit down, and consider what it all means to be a part of this country. What that means for our future and how we should conduct our business. The irony here is I'm not even saying I agree with him. I just don't like the tone of the people arguing against him.

What it means to be a part of any country is, along other things, contributing your share to sustaining that country, because you benefit from the state, government ruling the state and the society that make it every single day.

[jackofwind]

Just shut up that's the biggest bullshit diatribe in this thread. Stop fucking straw manning.

1. He wasn't an anarchist
2. There are other taxes than the federal income tax
3. His arguments were constitutionally based and not crazy.

Money is defined as gold or silver in the constitution, so unless you get paid in that you don't have any constitutional income. His other main argument was a 5th amendment argument which asserted that a tax return made someone violate their 5th amendment rights.

Now he obviously lost his battle legally, but the majority of the people that ratified the the tax amendment thought that it didn't apply to labor.


For fucks sake stop calling people names, this hero deserves to have a thread for a day.

He doesn't really, he's not a hero in any logical sense of the word and he doesn't deserve anything particularly special. If I started taking shits in the middle of the street to protest income tax I would be roughly on the same level as him.

[Theodarzna]

Sigh... you people are all extremists these days. Your solutions are absolutely backwards and without reasoning. You work in brutish absolutes, not in intellect.

He didn't choose to come here. He was born here. His roots are here. You're telling a man who vehemently disagrees with a system, who peacefully worked to rail against it, that he should leave to a foreign land that he has no familiarity with.

...You know, rather than sit down, and consider what it all means to be a part of this country. What that means for our future and how we should conduct our business. The irony here is I'm not even saying I agree with him. I just don't like the tone of the people arguing against him.

Maybe we should have just merely outlawed him? He no longer enjoys the protection of the law.

[luc54]

You also get with that all-inclusive package, a government that murders innocents by the thousands. Plays the world like a chessboard and is owned by the corporate elite. A government so far and away from the will and need of the citizenry that you'd swear its representatives haven't seen the light of day. That they've all been in some backroom closet, insulated from everything that is going on within their own borders and beyond.

So... you know, again, about those absolutes and their brutish nature. They come with a goddamn 20 pound novel of negatives. The "fine print" people like you seem to lovingly brush over with little regard nor care for. Why? Because you're "protected". You're so scared of the world that the idea of being against this government is preposterous. Beyond your ideological spectrum!

System where induviduals pay for basic infrastructure to provide basic needs for every citizen is oppresive regime that murders innocent people as opposed to system where such money isn't collected and these basic needs aren't provided. Is this a joke or what? Because I can't believe anyone would think like that. I guess all it comes down to is own greed at cost of major damage to society as whole.

[Adam Jensen]

I was trying to be inclusive when I made this thread but obviously if you're a socialist or commie than you aren't going to like the guy. I think his story and life are quite interesting and that's why I made the thread.

Well here we go again with the blind "socialist" and "commie" labeling.

[Dendrek]

For fucks sake stop calling people names, this hero deserves to have a thread for a day.

You call him a hero, I call him an anarchist. I guess we can both exaggerate.

[satimy]

What i often find amusing is the same people for a strong american military are also the same people against taxes for the government.

Rather ironic don't you think

Pretty sure he was anti war, and no actuy that's why I've said for a long time that's theres only like 3 conservatives in the us. Most republicans love taxes and welfare because it keeps disposable kids alive to die in wars. Pointless warfare is a progressive idea, even though it's embraced by most republicans

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Well here we go again with the blind "socialist" and "commie" labeling.

Do you deny it?

[xuros]

One of the best joke threads that I have read today. Thanks!

[Dendrek]

pretty sure he was anti war, and no actuy that's why i've said for a long time that's theres only like 3 conservatives in the us. Most republicans love taxes and welfare because it keeps disposable kids alive to die in wars. Pointless warfare is a progressive idea, even though it's embraced by most republicans

l o l

[Thresh1]

Not paying taxes isn't a civil right, it's a civil irresponsibility, to say the least. How do you expect to have a functioning government if taxes are not paid, lol?

"Render unto Caeser what is Caeser's" and all that.

[Kalis]

Pretty sure he was anti war, and no actuy that's why I've said for a long time that's theres only like 3 conservatives in the us. Most republicans love taxes and welfare because it keeps disposable kids alive to die in wars. Pointless warfare is a progressive idea, even though it's embraced by most republicans

Your version of conservative can't be very good if you can only get 3 people out of 300 million to agree with it, that's taking fringe politics to the extreme fringe.

Are you sure that you mean 'conservative'?

[Adam Jensen]

Do you deny it?

Disagreeing with this guy doesn't automatically make one a socialist or a communist, which is what you were implying.

[Acidbaron]

Pretty sure he was anti war, and no actuy that's why I've said for a long time that's theres only like 3 conservatives in the us. Most republicans love taxes and welfare because it keeps disposable kids alive to die in wars. Pointless warfare is a progressive idea, even though it's embraced by most republicans

War is a progressive idea?

Should we start a kickstarter for your high school education?

[Thepersona]

have a question
all of your us conservative fellows have this level of intelligence?

OT: he was an anarchist (not that i'm against anarchism) and didn't pay taxes
i think that he was for supply-side economics, a theory that's been proved false on practice

[Thresh1]

War is a progressive idea?

Should we start a kickstarter for your high school education?

I wish there was a like button, lol. +1

[Mehrunes]

Well here we go again with the blind "socialist" and "commie" labeling.

But remember:

Just shut up that's the biggest bullshit diatribe in this thread. Stop fucking straw manning.

For fucks sake stop calling people names, this hero deserves to have a thread for a day.

[unbound]

Most Heroes must break the law

Didn't MLK say that it was your duty as a citizen to break laws that you found unjust?

Sigh. If you are doing what is right, breaking the law is something that makes sense.

When you are clearly wrong, like Irwin Schiff was, you aren't a hero; you are a moron. Which brings us to a Star Wars quote, "Who is more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows it?"

Yes, Irwin Schiff was completely wrong. He and his stupid ilk were given multiple chances to make their argument in court (9 lawsuits that I'm aware of against the IRS commissioner), and they all failed spectacularly.

He was ignorant of the Constitution, the amendments (he regularly ignored the 16th amendment), laws of the land (aka The United States Code) and how government in general works. The IRS collects taxes because Congress delegated its authority to them...case closed. Collecting taxes is the law of the land (see the United States Code - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text , Title 26 - https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26 ). Every idiotic argument put out by Irwin Schiff and his ilk has been soundly debunked over and over (and over) again.

I would recommend that you expand your search for non-idiotic heroes.

[Mehrunes]

War is a progressive idea?

Should we start a kickstarter for your high school education?

One would think that should be funded by taxes, but then again, that's "theft".

[satimy]

if you can't grasp the simple concept of there being different types of taxation and that being opposed to one doesn't make you an anarchist then I'm not sure you can possibly have a legitimate opinion.

And yes wars have always been started by progressives in the U.S.