Disc Mythic Tyrant

[jstefanop]

So we are progressing on tyrant currently and trying to figure out how to properly heal this fight as disc. This is obviously our worst fight this tier from a throughput perspective, but what seems to be the best way for disc to heal this fight?

Im 720 level and can barely crack 90k HPS...we are currently just getting into P3 and learning that phase. Looking at logs I have seen Disc try about everything, which shows how divided heal strat is for this fight. I have tried everything from using COW, to even glyphing PWS (which I'm not convinced adds any utility to P2 and figured bigger shields are better for that phase). I also see people just spaming POH during P2 instead of shielding. I have also heard that twisted fate could possibly be viable this fight, but I don't see this possible unless you have zero mana issues (and I'm currently ooming at the beginning of P3 with 1800 spirit).

So what seems to be the general consensus on how to heal this fight as Disc?

[Deleted]

90k hps sounds quite good for this fight, remember its not all about hps and like u said its one of our "worst" fights at least for meter whoring. Just keep shielding, watch your timers and pre shield for damage like you always do, use EAA PoH but dont waste mana on unbuffed PoH imo. Use Penance on the debuff targets and shield other debuffs if u can. Rest depending on heal setup and how good you tanks handle damage focus more on CoW in p2 and p3

You basically work as an extra buffer on this fight on p2, it wont give high numbers but its very very strong.

Twist of faith is never viable as it doesnt proc from absorbs and doesnt increase absorbs. Also never use glyphed pw:s, you are suppose to prevent damage and you gimp yourself using it.

If u got some logs im sure that would be helpfull

[bicycle]

Every fight other than Tyrant disc wins because absorbs rarely overheal, and all of the other healers win Tyrant because during contempt aura their throughput heals don't register as overhealing on the logs even when they are actually overhealing quite a bit. Don't sweat your throughput numbers.

[jstefanop]

Every fight other than Tyrant disc wins because absorbs rarely overheal, and all of the other healers win Tyrant because during contempt aura their throughput heals don't register as overhealing on the logs even when they are actually overhealing quite a bit. Don't sweat your throughput numbers.

Oh wow this I did not know...alright well everything makes sense now. I guess thats why all these weird healing strats were showing up on the logs since its just people trying to cheese the meters.

[Pearl1717]

Disc is actually one of the most (if not the most) important healer on this fight. A good disc can make or break this fight tbh. Make sure in p2 that you're shielding tanks on CD and then just shielding all the font targets when the tanks have WS on them. Make sure to shield the touch target, and then pour every penance into them on cd.

If you're ooming yourself going into p3, drink immediately going into p2. This is the best time to drink since there isn't much damage going out. I'll usually go into p2 with 100% mana after I drink, and then go into p3 with ~50%.

Also don't every glyph PWS or take ToF. Your hps on this fight is fine. As others said, throughput healers hps is just hugely inflated because there is no overhealing, but most of that is ineffective healing. A disc priest and a hpally make or break this fight during P2.

[Koor]

As others said, meters are weird on tyrant. Healing meters often don't tell the whole picture, and in particular here, since heals register as effective heals even when going over the aura of contempt limit. This is how it looks on the logs:

00:03:40.313 Koor Chain Heal Flên +0 (A: 54798)
00:03:40.313 Koor Chain Heal Zirachi +38926
00:03:40.313 Koor Chain Heal Xpire +49032
00:03:40.313 Koor Chain Heal Xpire +14709 (Multistrike)
00:03:40.313 Koor Chain Heal Alysrian +0 (A: 74724)

Everything above the aura health limit is logged as "absorbed", but would still count as effective healing. My chain heal that did +0 (A:54798) on Flên counts as 54K effective healing for me even though it actually did 0 and all of it was absorbed by the aura.

This doesn't mean your throughput healers are necessarily cheesing the meters (maybe just a little bit . They have to overheal a lot for the small amount that would actually heal since otherwise people will fall down to dangerous HP levels. It does help adjusting the raid frames to see the max limit, some raid frames added this feature (e.g. grid2), and there is also an addon that helps with it (http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/velhari-health-fix). But even with such addon, throughput healers basically need to spam heal to keep the raid safe.

A disc priest is very valuable since as always your shields add to the effective HP, but now the effective HP is lower than normal, so your shields are even more important than usual. Therefore even if you look low on the meters on that fight, you are probably the most important healer.

If the fight is long, the damage on the tanks in p3 gets pretty dangerous due to aura of malice. During progress our disc priest went COW, which reduced the numbers on the meters even more, but helped substantially to keep the tanks alive and down the boss.

[Deleted]

As Bicycle pointed out, overhealing is why you won't win meters on this fight, but you'll win effectiveness. Envy even used double disc for this fight. Yes, that is how good disc is on this fight, your tanks will fall over in both phase 2 and phase 3 if you don't have a disc. Spec clarity of will, use it as a filler on the tanks, other than that just shield the debuffs in p2 when you're getting to a low % hp. You're here to save people from certain death, not to pad meters.

On our first kill I did 70k HPS, main job is to save people from dying, tanks, and people with debuffs mostly.

[chrrie]

Like everyone else previously stated, Disc is extremely important on this fight regardless of what the meters say. Here's my overall basic strat for each phase:

1. PW:S on melee, Annihilating Strike targets. PW:S, CoW & Penance Touch of Harm targets
2. CoW/PW:S Tanks, Penance on tanks or Touch of Harm targets. Spot heal raid with PW:S
3. CoW/PW:S/Penance tanks. Seriously, this is it. They die otherwise

My raid uses Barrier on the second Edit and in P3 when Gavel and Edict overlap and everyone uses Shieldtronic Shields on the P2/P3 transition (the last Edict of the phase).

HPS wise, I'm usually last around 100. Holy Paladin usually first around 150 with the other throughput healers slightly below that. Don't worry about the meters here, because Disc can certainly pad if we wanted to wipe the raid.

[Rfx]

All you do is spam shield/clarity on tanks and use the class trinket. You will literally keep the tanks alive like no other healer can in the final phase. (P3) That's all that matters.

[Deleted]

All you do is spam shield/clarity on tanks and use the class trinket. You will literally keep the tanks alive like no other healer can in the final phase. (P3) That's all that matters.

If all u do is spam shields/clarity then how does that involve the class trinket?

Its been proven before the class trinket is garbage cause of the spells you are forced to cast, being mana intensive and it having no stats. You be better of with a stat trinket and having bigger pw:s and such.

[Deleted]

All you do is spam shield/clarity on tanks and use the class trinket. You will literally keep the tanks alive like no other healer can in the final phase. (P3) That's all that matters.

The class trinket is such a bad choice. You should go with a throughput trinket instead.

[Kapaya]

All you do is spam shield/clarity on tanks and use the class trinket. You will literally keep the tanks alive like no other healer can in the final phase. (P3) That's all that matters.

This. As a tank, the last phase got so much easier with CoW being spammed on the one tanking the boss. Your last phase job is simply to keep tanks alive.

[Rfx]

If all u do is spam shields/clarity then how does that involve the class trinket?

Its been proven before the class trinket is garbage cause of the spells you are forced to cast, being mana intensive and it having no stats. You be better of with a stat trinket and having bigger pw:s and such.

Obviously you use Penance to proc the trinket. It might have been a slight exaggeration to say what I said.

The class trinket is such a bad choice. You should go with a throughput trinket instead.

I can't speak for you guys, but we had 0 throughput issues on that fight other than tanks dying and the trinket certainly helped prevent that during prog.

As for current guilds/disc priests progressing on it, the trinket may not be worthwhile with the more gear now. But if tanks are dying in p3 understand that it is a viable option.

[Deleted]

Where is Pospospos when you need him

[Pearl1717]

Honestly, if you're having trouble with tanks in p3, going CoW with class trinket wouldn't be a terrible idea. One of the main reasons why its bad is cause you can't maintain a high uptime of it on many people. But if you're going to be focusing 2 people, you could maintain a near 100% uptime on it and that would be a pretty significant DR.

But that being said, tank deaths are probably more of an issue of tanks mismanaging their cds/externals in p2/p3.

[PosPosPos]

The class trinket was semi-viable in early progression, where tanks didn't necessarily have access to ring(also happens to be pre buff to ring), and gear levels wasn't as high as it is currently.

Right now?

You are either sacrificing ~478 mastery and a ~33% uptime 548 int buff, or the BiS phylactery. Completely not worth it under most circumstances.

That said, if your holy paladin/tanks suck shadow orbs, the trinket is a slight boost to survivability over DSI.

[Deleted]

Obviously you use Penance to proc the trinket. It might have been a slight exaggeration to say what I said.




I can't speak for you guys, but we had 0 throughput issues on that fight other than tanks dying and the trinket certainly helped prevent that during prog.

As for current guilds/disc priests progressing on it, the trinket may not be worthwhile with the more gear now. But if tanks are dying in p3 understand that it is a viable option.

Throughput will resolve in more tankhealing aswell, 500 mastery on DSI, you'll throw out bigger heals on everyone in the raid, not only the tank.

[Pearl1717]

A constant 10% DR is much more significant than the extra few thousand you get on your pws for tank healing. Overall, yes DSI is a much better choice. But for this specific case, the class trinket would be much more valuable. But again, at this point, with the amount of gear we have and the tank ring, tank deaths are much more likely to be cause by tanks with poor management of their CD's and externals and not because of a lack of throughput from your healers.

[Rfx]

Throughput will resolve in more tankhealing aswell, 500 mastery on DSI, you'll throw out bigger heals on everyone in the raid, not only the tank.

The DR easily outweighs the absorb bonus. For tanks. Which is the entirety of my point. If you didn't have issues with tank deaths on prog, thats fine and its understandable that you wouldn't use the class trinket. That was not the case for us.

[Deleted]

The DR easily outweighs the absorb bonus. For tanks. Which is the entirety of my point. If you didn't have issues with tank deaths on prog, thats fine and its understandable that you wouldn't use the class trinket. That was not the case for us.

I don't agree the most logical and best solution to tanks deaths is for your disc priest to equip the class trinket. It might work, yes. But far from the best solution to this kind of problem.