New Russian bill orders fines, arrest for public coming out as gay

[GennGreymane]

https://www.rt.com/politics/319466-n...-orders-fines/

Two Communist Party MPs have drafted a bill that bans any public demonstration of “non-traditional” sexual orientation and orders monetary fines or up to 15 days of administrative detention for violation of this rule.
State Duma lawmakers Ivan Nikitchuk and Nikolay Arefyev want to amend the Russian Administrative Code with a new article listing “public expression of non-traditional sexual relations” as a violation.

An explanatory note attached to the draft reads that if this expression takes the form of “demonstration of one’s distorted sexual preferences in public places,” it must be punished with fines between 4,000 and 5,000 rubles ($64-$80 at current rate). And those who do this in educational and cultural establishments or offices of state and municipal authorities can face up to 15 days of arrest.

“I think that the problem is acute and urgent because it concerns the social diseases of our society and the moral upbringing of the younger generation. Unfortunately, the mechanism suggested in the 2013 law ‘On the protection of children against the information that harms their health and development’ has proved to be ineffective and this prompted us to develop new measures,” Nikitchuk said in comments with Izvestia daily.

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The lawmaker also told reporters that he considered homosexuality to be a “grave danger for any normal person and for humanity as a whole” because it can affect children and grandchildren and prevent them from reproduction. “In a biological sense, failure to reproduce is the same as death and this makes homosexuality a deadly danger for humanity,” Nikitchuk said.

The two MPs stated that their bill is based on historical experience, both of the Soviet Union - when male homosexuality was a criminal offence punishable by prison sentences of between five and eight years - and “ancient times” when the anti-gay laws were much more severe.

“In Athens during the classical period homosexuals had to report their vice to the people’s assembly and got stripped of their civil rights. Those who tried to conceal it were either exiled or executed. The laws of Ancient Sparta were even stricter – there were no reports, anyone who got caught was executed,” read the explanations attached to the bill.

The communists’ initiative has already met with criticism both from the gay rights campaigners and, surprisingly, from St. Petersburg city lawmaker Vitaly Milonov, known as the main sponsor of the 2013 law banning gay propaganda to minors. Milonov said that the existing norms were sufficient because any public statement could also affect children and this is already banned.

Gay activist and lawyer Maria Bast said in comments to Izvestia that the bill “was not worthy of real leftists” adding that she expected the Duma to block it because Russia is currently working to restore relations with the European Union.

The initiative also caused sharp criticism of Human Rights advocates. The head of the Moscow Helsinki Group and the oldest HR activist in the country, Lyudmila Alekseyeva told the SLON online magazine that the draft was “rubbish” and instead suggested punishing people who ‘come out’ as communists.

[Daedius]

Homosexuality is like death and is a danger to humanity... ? What, like suddenly everyone turns gay and humanity's doomed to sodomy and no more offspring?

What a fucking joke of a country.

Just get out of that shithole, would be the best decision of homosexuals and anyone else for that matter...

[Deleted]

yep, oppression is reel.

Example 1 10^999999999 of how religion ruins society.

[Deleted]

Now this is something those first world tumblr SJW SHOULD rally against. But that would require spine.

[GennGreymane]

Now this is something those first world tumblr SJW SHOULD rally against. But that would require spine.

Pretty much.

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Great. I support this law.

[Mic_128]

You know, I have always wondered whether there's any direct correlation between an increase in homosexual orientation and the increase in human population. It would be interesting if there's a biological component of the species naturally trying to control population numbers.

Probably not, but I think it's an interesting idea. Would certainly help slow the "It's 2100, population is X billion and everyone's starving" that seems to be a recurring theme in sci-fi.

[Deleted]

yep, oppression is reel.

Example 1 10^999999999 of how religion ruins society.

Except that there's nothing religious about this law.

[Independent voter]

Welcome to 1950.

[Acelius]

Except that there's nothing religious about this law.

Homosexuality is frowned upon because of religion..

[Azadina]

I feel sad for people in Russia, when it's leadership wants to degrade the country closer to 3rd world status, mimicking countries in Middle-East.

[enragedgorilla]

You know, I have always wondered whether there's any direct correlation between an increase in homosexual orientation and the increase in human population. It would be interesting if there's a biological component of the species naturally trying to control population numbers.

Probably not, but I think it's an interesting idea. Would certainly help slow the "It's 2100, population is X billion and everyone's starving" that seems to be a recurring theme in sci-fi.

I believe they are trying or tried to show a population "control" in chimps this way...or some other ape/monkey breed.
When a ....group of wild chimps(I am using chimps because I can not find the article specifically addressing this) got to a certain size, there were "gay" or non breeding individuals in the groups...or something to that effect.

Less people on the planet ...at the moment, not a bad thing.
Adoptions available to same sex couples ...oooh...there is a tragic end.

Tech has made us far far "greater" organisms than the planet has room for or resources.
I few million less of us clogging up the evolutionary gene pool for a few hundred years...or longer...win.

[JohnBrown1917]

So how are our russia fanboys going to deny Russia has anti-gay laws now?

Homosexuality is frowned upon because of religion..

Plenty of countries have anti-gay citizens without religion.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I feel sad for people in Russia, when it's leadership wants to degrade the country closer to 3rd world status, mimicking countries in Middle-East.

I'm actually surprised they took it this far. I'd figure it wouldn't be this blatant. Oh well I guess, I was wrong.

[Deleted]

Welcome to 1950.

As the person who got quoted in the interview, not accepting homosexuality is as old as humanity itself.

[GennGreymane]

So how are our russia fanboys going to deny Russia has anti-gay laws now?


Plenty of countries have anti-gay citizens without religion.

Well I used RT soooooooo it would be funny if they tried.

[Acelius]

So how are our russia fanboys going to deny Russia has anti-gay laws now?


Plenty of countries have anti-gay citizens without religion.

Care to come with some examples? All I've seen are homosexuals being prosecuted because the local religion says it's wrong. In Europe, The US, Africa, The Middle East. Homosexuals have always been prosecuted in these areas because religion said so.

[Deleted]

Homosexuality is frowned upon because of religion..

Maybe in the most parts of the world. But this Russian law has nothing to do mit religion.

I'm not religious myself and wouldn't accept homosexuality in any form near me.

[Deleted]

Well that is some real and vicious oppression right there.

Russia has always been really horrible in its treatment of homosexuals and the backward thinking just isn't changing.

In the Russian case, it's hard to blame it on religious oppression due to their history, religion got smashed a century ago.

It's strange that the explicit reasoning claims to be demographic concerns, but really it's just tradition and an easy target to persecute gay people.

Either way, it's just plain wrong, and obviously anti-freedom.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Maybe in the most parts of the world. But this Russian law has nothing to do mit religion.

I'm not religious myself and wouldn't accept homosexuality in any form near me.

Russia is involved with religion and weather you accept it or not, it's a bullshit law and oppressive by nature to Gay people.