Class identity: how would YOU differentiate the Rogue specs in Legion?

[Tokas]

only if this stuff replaces old stuff, not old + new, then we're like Monks or Enh Shamans with 101 binds each dealing tickling damage.

[Feali]

Combo points are the reason all Rogue speccs feel the same. Every specc is combo point builder, finishing move and keeping a buff up.

[shaunika123]

Combo points are the reason all Rogue speccs feel the same. Every specc is combo point builder, finishing move and keeping a buff up.

by that logic all monk specs are the same.
i dont want blizzard to take away our combo points, that's what makes rogues rogues.

[Tore]

Now for sub, it'll be interesting to see what they do with the ninja theme. Right now we're nowhere near ninjas, it's just our shadow dance and our class trinket revolves around stealth. Our bleeds seem to be a way to keep us interesting, without making the rotation too dull. Maybe they can give us some better class animations as well as right now we're pretty boring with everything except for DFA.

If Sub is going to be a ninja then the most ninja-like ability I can think of is Killing Spree. Appear and disappear all around your target in puffs of smoke. That doesn't quite fit a Pirate, anyway.

Ninjas also use their sword last. They've got blow darts and shurikens and shit. That wouldn't really fit in with an exclusively melee class though.

[Naiattavain]

ideas for legion:

slightly bring down energy costs for combo generators. so it feels closer to 5x abilties then wait for energy to regen for all three specs.

mutilate would be 40 to 44 energy cost

combat would have a 35 energy cost for sinister strike and revealing strike with a little more damage added to eviscerate (subtlety eviscerate makes combat silly)

hemo 22 energy backstab 28 energy.

for god sakes increase the initial time sap takes so that a rogue can sap and capture a flag point for pvp.

thats about all i can think of hope that helps.

[shade3891]

ideas for legion:

slightly bring down energy costs for combo generators. so it feels closer to 5x abilties then wait for energy to regen for all three specs.
mutilate would be 40 to 44 energy cost
combat would have a 35 energy cost for sinister strike and revealing strike with a little more damage added to eviscerate (subtlety eviscerate makes combat silly)
hemo 22 energy backstab 28 energy.
for god sakes increase the initial time sap takes so that a rogue can sap and capture a flag point for pvp.
thats about all i can think of hope that helps.

I agree with this, make the playstyle faster for combo point generators.

[Deleted]

I've probably said this too many times. I'd scrap mastery as a stat across the game. It's boring and doesn't add complexity.

All:
Equipping 1 dagger give +10 energy cap. Equipping two gives +20 energy, for all specs.

Assassinations:
Remove slice and dice, bake it in to assassins resolve at level 10.
Only give assassinations access to lethal poisons. Non-Lethal available to all.
Mutilate without daggers
Let them generate energy from poisoning enemies.
Add a targetable throwable poison vial with charges and no energy cost.

Combat
More situation blade flurry style auras to account for their loss of poisons, targeted more at single target sustained or burst. Some auras have a cooldown.
Auras would be inspired by original tbc/wotlk "sword/mace/dagger" ect specialisations but with the weapon requirements removed.

Subulety
Shorten the cooldown on shadowdance to 20/30 seconds and have it replace kidney shot.
Make shadowdance work like the old subterfudge, weak stealth for the duration.
Rework master of subtlety: Chance for attacks to deal shadow damage instead of physical damage, instead of relying on expose weakness.

[Deleted]

- remove slice and dice for all specs, or at least reduce it heavily, and compensate with active damage.
- make finishers worth a thing, let them hit hard
- change Vendetta to a self buff or replace it with something fitting the theme (shadow blades back for example)
- less dependency on Haste.
- give assassination a good and non-clunky AoE.
- give one spec something else than the energy-combo point system
- or give some specs finishers that consume 2 or 3 CP and not all.