Saudi Singer Shams Bandar Slams Arab World and Hypocrisy

[Crispin]

As the title says, this girl has got some big cojones.

[stout]

We prefer guns over knives and stones here in the states so she has a point.

[Revi]

I don't know her situation, I reckon she's safe enough, but it's a brave thing to say in the current climate down there.

[Dsonsion]

Damn straight. Why is she still alive?

[Exception]

No, the Middle East has not always been like this. The root cause for many of todays problems does indeed stem from imperialism, the arbitary borders drawn by Western powers in the Middle East and the USSR's and the US's proxy war in the region. And Arab states not concerned with the refugees? Give me a break, 95% of refugees are located in the neighboring Arab countries, not to mention those located in Gulf countries (which is difficult to calculate since Gulf states haven't signed the Geneve Convention on refugees so those refugees who come here are not listed as refugges) and the hundreds of thousands of dollars sent to help the refugees. She is merely an ignorant bitch. I wonder why anybody should care about the opinions of a random Saudi singer (never even heard of her before) anyway?

[Exception]

I do not think she lives in any country that would kill her for what she said. I assume somewhere in the EU. Perhaps the UK.

There needs to be more voices like hers though. But, more importantly, there needs to be voices like hers in the communities where this is an issue. So that it can be changed from within.

Yes, the world needs more ignorant people.

[Exception]

I am pretty sure the Sunni/Shia split is older than the arbitrary borders.

Historically, Sunnis and Shias actually used to live quite peacefully. But the divide has been turned more ugly due to those arbitary borders and the World powers playing around in the Middle East.

She is not ignorant. She just has a different point of view.

Yes, she is ignorant because her viewpoint is based on false assumptions.

[Dsonsion]

Yes, the world needs more ignorant people.

How ignorant? Hillbilly ignorant, or beheading people and repressing freedom of speech ignorant?

[Neufab]

Historically, Sunnis and Shias actually used to live quite peacefully. But the divide has been turned more ugly due to those arbitary borders and the World powers playing around in the Middle East.



Yes, she is ignorant because her viewpoint is based on false assumptions.

Don't forget to blame the Mongols as well. And everyone else.

[Socialhealer]

Yes, the world needs more ignorant people.

ahhh Qatar, call everyone else with a view point not based on sky overlords ignorant.

[Luxxor]

This Exception guy cracks me up. He previously made a thread about how the West doesn't have a monopoly on modernization.

We need someone here defending oppressive regimes and speaking out against free speech and women's rights.

Makes for a good laugh.

[Kalis]

The root cause for many of todays problems does indeed stem from imperialism, the arbitary borders drawn by Western powers in the Middle East...

You know that the power to redraw their borders lies with the current regimes, don't you? All it would take is some negotiation and a willingness to give up some power by leaders in the region...oh wait, there's the bloody problem.

[Exception]

Yeah, nice gloss over:

In detail: Sunnis vs. Shiites
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-detai...is-vs-shiites/

The World is not making individual people attack each other. The world is not making ISIS attack people. That is all on the individuals, and the rise of Islamism. A want for there to be a global caliphate. In other words a return to the ottoman empire. Stuff that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi talks about.

No, but the world helped create the conditions for these groups to flourish by putting different groups, which did sometimes already have rivalry, to live under the same government which was also invented by the foreign powers. Just look at ISIS, one of the main causes for their foundation was the Shia governments oppressive policies towards Sunni Muslims, and this is why they are often seen as liberators in the areas they control. Foreign powers helped to politicize the Sunni-Shia conflict.

[Kalis]

No, but the world helped create the conditions for these groups to flourish by putting different groups, which did sometimes already have rivalry, to live under the same government which was also invented by the foreign powers. Just look at ISIS, one of the main causes for their foundation was the Shia governments oppressive policies towards Sunni Muslims, and this is why they are often seen as liberators in the areas they control. Foreign powers helped to politicize the Sunni-Shia conflict.

Then redraw the boundaries.

The British and French drew them up a century ago using a pencil, ruler and a map, those things still exist. Whilst it is lovely that you're still enamoured with our cartography skills, we really wouldn't be that offended if you put some squiggly lines in here and there.

[Exception]

Then redraw the boundaries.

The British and French drew them up a century ago using a pencil, ruler and a map, those things still exist. Whilst it is lovely that you're still enamoured with our cartography skills, we really wouldn't be that offended if you put some squiggly lines in here and there.

That's exactly what IS is trying to do.

[enragedgorilla]

That's exactly what IS is trying to do.

So ISIS is really just like Columbus, Ponce de Leon and other adventuring cartographers?

Well, that's a new spin.

I guess a religious crusade/zealotry could be considered a form cartography, exploration...I mean, we find land new to us,wipe out the indigenous inhabitants, then claim them as our own.
I see your point here, ISIS is just wiping out all people to make a new home.

[Milchshake]

While you're busy fact checking... get some background on MERMI. They really go out of their way to make make people look bad. Basically a front for Mossad or some other Hasbara operation.

[greeeed]

Sunni-Shia are not robots/zombies. They can control their actions. The west might have made the situation worse. But we are in the present. As someone else noted, if the regional powers wanted, they could negotiate a way out of the problem. Instead they are killing each other, throwing homosexuals off roofs, and committing genocide on local minority religions.


Saudi Arabia, the UAE, etc, have a lot of money. Where is it going? Building a lot of castles for their sheikhs, and trying to out do the west by playing "who can build the tallest building?!".

Yeah, that is not the world. That is the government, and the people being mismanaged, all the while being suppressed by religious dogma.

Iraq Gets a White House as Kurdish Tycoon Builds Replica
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...builds-replica

UAE companies in race to build second tallest tower in Dubai
http://www.emirates247.com/business/...05-19-1.591122

Are you forgotten about all money they sent to help Egypt new government(Sisi) and Syria?
Not to mention Oil price is won those day.

Then again, people like to remember only what they like to remember

[muto]

She's right they've been fighting wars over there long before America was around. People are quick to blame America for unrest in the Middle East, but they've been fighting over there for centuries.

[Exception]

Sunni-Shia are not robots/zombies. They can control their actions. The west might have made the situation worse. But we are in the present.

And the present is the accumulation of th events which happened in the past. Indeed, Muslims can control their actions. That's why when you go to politically stable countries like the UAE or Qatar, you will see Sunnis and Shias peacefully coexisting. It's really a lot more simpler than "Sunnis and Shias just want to kill each other". It is really a political conflict and religion is just a way to project it.

Saudi Arabia, the UAE, etc, have a lot of money. Where is it going? Building a lot of castles for their sheikhs, and trying to out do the west by playing "who can build the tallest building?!".

Yeah, that is not the world. That is the government, and the people being mismanaged, all the while being suppressed by religious dogma.

Iraq Gets a White House as Kurdish Tycoon Builds Replica
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...builds-replica

UAE companies in race to build second tallest tower in Dubai
http://www.emirates247.com/business/...05-19-1.591122

GCC counrties have taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees and donated money to countries where most refugees settled to.