Legion - Subtlety discussion

[ChaserDUB]

Shadowdance will be different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAV7pwUJO5k

[Hitei]

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...lization/page6

[overdose]

rip on command burst

[LilSaihah]

rip on command burst

Hopefully there's still time for iteration. A talent which turns these instant dances into charges which you then spend on a big Shadow Dance doesn't seem too far from plausibility.

[Terahertz]

Seems stupid pvp wise. Basically sdance is going to be an rng gimmick. Cant sdance into sap reliably. Seriously such a stupid and backwards change.

Also going to devalue the damage ambush does most likely and screw up your stun drs. Lmao this kinda shows blizzard hasnt learnt a thing class changes wise.

EDIT: checked the link posted above. Sdance does proc reliably i guess but its still a backwarss change imo. Also dont know how the unbreakable stealth thing is gonna play out. Hope evasion, vanish and feint get nerfed then because rogues are already survivable as fuck. Unless i misinerpreted it and it still works the way it does now.

[Springrunner]

Shadowdance will be different.

Everytime you use an offensive hitting ability you have a chance to get a "shadowdance" for 20 seconds.
You can use the abilities only usable in stealth.

I hope im right, i was upstairs when i heard it on stream.

I despise this. The whole nice thing about Sub is it has little RNG.

[fierydemise]

I despise this. The whole nice thing about Sub is it has little RNG.

From what they said I don't think that is correct. 20% per CP to enter mini-dance. So guaranteed at 5cps.

Skeptical because dance timing and FW management was a big part of the sub skill cap but I don't think it's an RNG thing.

[Kalador]

i think the guy said 20% per CP so 100% on finisher...

going to be fun for questing reseting thos mobs again and again XD

[Wow]

From what they said I don't think that is correct. 20% per CP to enter mini-dance. So guaranteed at 5cps.

Skeptical because dance timing and FW management was a big part of the sub skill cap but I don't think it's an RNG thing.

They've said many times in many of the interviews they more or less want all specs to be easier.

Also I'm very scared of "removed many generic rogue abilities"

[Squirl]

Shadowdance will be different.

Everytime you use an offensive hitting ability you have a chance to get a "shadowdance" for 20 seconds.
You can use the abilities only usable in stealth.

I hope im right, i was upstairs when i heard it on stream.

20% chance on finishers, not 20 seconds.

Sounds pretty lame. If I liked relying on procs for all my damage, I would play Fire Mage. Coincidentally, that's my least favorite spec in the entire game.

Didn't hear the per CP part. Sounds slightly more interesting now. I'll have to see how it's implemented.

[MiseryTheRogue]

i think the guy said 20% per CP so 100% on finisher...

going to be fun for questing reseting thos mobs again and again XD

Who levels as sub?:O

[Eazy]

i think the guy said 20% per CP so 100% on finisher...

going to be fun for questing reseting thos mobs again and again XD

Haha, I seriously lol'd. I imagine rogues with 5 CP "damn... not doing to reset them! More Hemos!".

[Hitei]

Who levels as sub?:O

Most people post Cata. in BoA you kill anything not named/elite in 1-2 GCDs

[Kalador]

Who levels as sub?:O

you will if you want to max that artefact first... on a more serious note, it will probably act like SD and not like stealth.

[ChaserDUB]

Here are the changes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAV7pwUJO5k

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20% chance on finishers, not 20 seconds.

Sounds pretty lame. If I liked relying on procs for all my damage, I would play Fire Mage. Coincidentally, that's my least favorite spec in the entire game.

Didn't hear the per CP part. Sounds slightly more interesting now. I'll have to see how it's implemented.

Like i said, i was upstairs when i heard them talking about it. I knew i didnt heard it good

[overdose]

lolwut 100% uptime on dance? I was thinking it was going be something along the lines of T16 sub set bonus. This will make the spec as simple as assassination.

[ChaserDUB]

Edited first post.

[MiseryTheRogue]

you will if you want to max that artefact first... on a more serious note, it will probably act like SD and not like stealth.

nah nah nah Outlaw all the way. Probably it will work as SD or it would be completely OP at PvP. Except if they gonna make it so detailed that it will swap at PVP and Pve.

[ChaserDUB]

going to be fun for questing reseting thos mobs again and again XD

No, you are not going out of combat when you use shadowdance. Neither will you in Legion.

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Pretty unhappy that HaT is being removed...