Legion - Subtlety discussion

[celinamuna]

you'll probably end up using the nightbane chest for aaaaages

esp with it becoming mythic+ the chance to get high ilvl trinket/chest are a lot higher

I did not hear anything about nightbane becoming part of M+, only other bosses.

[Abalon]

Watch your energy revenue that being said the only major plus any rogue should be doing for the next few months is arcway reason being is the neck is a insane upgrade I've done like 40 archways with no luck

[elfporn]

I did not hear anything about nightbane becoming part of M+, only other bosses.

Kara is being split into two m+ capable instances, there hasnt been anything said other than that. I would assume that they would not remove nightbane. I actually think he may be the final boss for the very reason that right now he can drop your keystone if you dont have one, though admittedly that may be completely unrelated to the split.

[Clinkzthebonerogue]

Hello guys, I'm currently playing sub without boots. I am very happy and enjoy a lot the game, nevertheless I'd like to ask experienced users something.

In boss fights, I manage to pull some high dps at the start. Like mantaining 600k for the first minute and a half. As time goes, I start to lack on shadow dance charges, vanish cd, and all that and sink to the ground, usually finishing with 350k wich is not that good given my ilvl (880). I am looking on advice on how to manage shadow dance charges, vanish cd and sprint cd. When I have shadow blades up everything is cake, one it is finished everything is fucked up for me.

On other basis, people say they easily do 2 shadowstrike + eviscerate + 2 shadowstrike. I will say this in my humble opinion... My ass you do if you do not have boots. You can do it sometimes, but you have to have some luck, and not refresh symbols. My usual output is that you have time for 3 shadowstrikes. 4 shadowstrikes would imply some enrrgetic stabbing or lucky eviscerate energy fest. Do you think equiping my arcway neck would help with shadowstrike?

I take weaponmaster and refresh my symbols (even though it is out of pandemic range) when i get those ridic bursts of energy that caps me. That really helps me avoid losing my dances to only 3 shadowstrikes.

As for your shadow dancing, if you have a boss with +2 adds, shurikan storm > evis is great for replenishing dance charges. Other than that I share your pain, but so far I only had to backstab 1 or 2 5-6 CP cycles then I'm back at shadow dancing, then eventually goremaws/vanish come back on cd and i'm flying again.

Vanish/goremaws are only used when I can afford the energy gain/deepening shadow procs so I don't ever waste an ounce of shadow dance CD reductions. I hear some people just blow it on CD

Edit:

Sprinting is kinda a hit or miss if you can get the flickering to work. Most of the time I use cloak and sprint to guarantee the flickering, during nythandra's rot (and stand in place to drop rot in one spot), dragons aura, elerethe rot, things like that to get the flickering vanish. You just gotta be careful to not stand in other shit cuz your cloak will be on cd. I love flickering, makes me think on how to properly use it on each fight to squeeze out some deeps/dance CD reduction.

[elfporn]

They just made nightblade undispellable. 6 months late. It's amazing the things "overlooked"

[Hodag]

I made a weak aura to track Shadow Dance. I copied it from the rogue I watched on YT from from Strawberry Puppy Kisses because it is easy to use at-a-glance.

https://wago.io/NJFC-pbVf

[elcapone]

Watch your energy revenue that being said the only major plus any rogue should be doing for the next few months is arcway reason being is the neck is a insane upgrade I've done like 40 archways with no luck

neck which gives 5% extra energy? I have it, it still doesnt solve the clunky rotation.

[Deleted]

They just made nightblade undispellable. 6 months late. It's amazing the things "overlooked"

Amazing change, though. But I have no clue how it could've taken this long.

[shaunika123]

neck which gives 5% extra energy? I have it, it still doesnt solve the clunky rotation.

it kinda does

[elcapone]

it kinda does

haha, i will have to test with it and without it.

[Abalon]

I need the neck seems kinda required short of energy changes come patch

[Critical92]

I truly hope they bring the boots back to 5 energy or when it has to stay at 3, atleast let shadowstrike cost only 37 energy.
The boots should make the spec feel better, but not so extreme like on live
and a spec shouldn't need an mythic+ neck (first you need the drop and second good titanforged)
Boots back to 5, shadowstrike down to 35. This would solve the problem for people with and without the boots.

[elfporn]

I truly hope they bring the boots back to 5 energy or when it has to stay at 3, atleast let shadowstrike cost only 37 energy.
The boots should make the spec feel better, but not so extreme like on live
and a spec shouldn't need an mythic+ neck (first you need the drop and second good titanforged)
Boots back to 5, shadowstrike down to 35. This would solve the problem for people with and without the boots.

They have lowered the boots to the point where they give about 12-20 energy per dance

The bare minimum to guarantee 4 shadow strikes 1 finisher, even with mistakes.

[celinamuna]

I made a weak aura to track Shadow Dance. I copied it from the rogue I watched on YT from from Strawberry Puppy Kisses because it is easy to use at-a-glance.

https://wago.io/NJFC-pbVf

Glad you liked them.

[RobertoCarlos]

Lol even with berserking buff in BG's my shadowstrike is hitting for 50k damage.

Where as the first tick of fists of fury does more than triple that.

#legionbalance.

[ainurr]

Subtlety aura is nerfed from 12% to 9% and nightblade is buffed 9%
More info at wowhead

[Deleted]

DISCLAIMER= No boots Sub player here.

So, if you have 3 Energetic Stabbing relics... what do people find clunky about Sub rotation? Between Weaponmaster, ES and Relentess Strike double procs with Deeper Stratagem, I barely have any downtime (just pooling to 65 before each SD). Yes, sometimes I find myself using Backstab without any SD charges, but this cases are very inunusual from my experience.

Outlaw is really the clunkiest spec. Without True Bearing, the spec does not flow nicely imo. But that is another topic not relevant to this thread.

[Rixan]

Subtlety aura is nerfed from 12% to 9% and nightblade is buffed 9%
More info at wowhead

Has anyone done any PTR testing with our tier set?

Really interested to see how we compare to assassination with our buffs and set bonuses

[Maelstrom51]

Looks like sub is going to be significantly weaker on 7.1.5 than 7.1. Lame.

[Rixan]

Looks like sub is going to be significantly weaker on 7.1.5 than 7.1. Lame.

The hell are you talking about? All PTR reports saying it's significantly stronger