Legion - Subtlety discussion

[shaunika123]

Yes Weaponmaster works with Eviscerate.

If you're looking at the damage of Weaponmaster in warcraftlogs, note that only procs from Shadow Blade show as "weaponmaster" damage. Everything else is rolled into their respective skills.

i know that

now check how many evis casts and evis hits there were in the ENTIRE RAID
not once did it proc an extra time on 8 bosses

so yeah something's iffy

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i know that

now check how many evis casts and evis hits there were in the ENTIRE RAID
not once did it proc an extra time on 8 bosses

so yeah something's iffy

I have my Evis proc WM all the time (as in: multiple times a day). Maybe it's just rolled into one hit?

[shaunika123]

I have my Evis proc WM all the time (as in: multiple times a day). Maybe it's just rolled into one hit?

but then why is it separate for shadowstrike?

[Critical92]

It's like many things regarding Sub. Blizz thought not long enough and just did things they thought would be real cool ninja stuff.
In fact every WM proc should be either counted as an WM:Ability proc or directly counted in that specific skill.
Personally i would find it better when everything counted as an WM:Ability proc.
With that we could better see how WM does our damage.

WM:Eviscerate, WM:Shadowstrike and so on

It's like the "old" multistrike but somehow it is totally wierd

[Maelstrom51]

i know that

now check how many evis casts and evis hits there were in the ENTIRE RAID
not once did it proc an extra time on 8 bosses

so yeah something's iffy

Blizzard is just inconsistent.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e%22&options=2

Notice that at 00:02:23.704 you hit twice with eviscerate. You actually got three procs on this one boss.

[shaunika123]

Blizzard is just inconsistent.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e%22&options=2

Notice that at 00:02:23.704 you hit twice with eviscerate. You actually got three procs on this one boss.

ah gotcha, i just assumed it was bugged like many other things with sub

[ainurr]

does anybody knows which is the other bis trinket for subtlety?

[Deleted]

Was just about to ask the same thing, cant find any complete sim for the trinkets in NH =/

[Deleted]

Got 885 frond yesterday. Only had time to run a ToV last night but here's my first impression of it:

3.5% on Odyn (had an unlucky proc whilst I was switching between an add).
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=42

4.6% on Guarm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=42


I'm ok with it, it's not broken but does give a fair damage increase. The only thing I don't like about it is the proc seems to be very random, random enough that it didn't even proc on Guarm during the whole 40s of bloodlust. Where as things like Jacin's Ruse 2 set seems to proc within 10 seconds of combat for me every time.

Looks like I'm gonna need to make a weak aura for it so I can save troll berserking for when it procs!

[Kortiah]

5%-ish is really good considering it gives Agility and not secondary stat.

Appendage proc was considered good, and overall Appendage was bis for Sin for example. What made it meh for sub was the Mastery when we reeeally want agility. Frond combines that. So I think it's great.

4% dmg and haste would be garbage, but 4% of overall and 2000 agility ? Sign me in. Can't wait to blow coins every week for 3 months on Botanist.

[Deleted]

Very true/good point, so focused on the proc I kind of underplayed the fact it's giving a fat agility boost too.

What I really want is to try out CoF and 3 Soul Shadow relics and see if I can make shadow blades have 100% uptime with bracers :P

[Kwakman]

The 2 new traits on the PTR (goremaw's bite makes your next 3 finishers free and Shadow's Whisper (Rank 1) (New) Deepening Shadows reduces the remaining cooldown on Shadow Dance by an additional 1 sec per combo point spent.) make the spec seem a lot smoother to play.

Using Goremaw might be encouraged right before a SD cause you get energy from Goremaw itself AND you save 65-70 energy in that dance.

[elfporn]

The 2 new traits on the PTR (goremaw's bite makes your next 3 finishers free and Shadow's Whisper (Rank 1) (New) Deepening Shadows reduces the remaining cooldown on Shadow Dance by an additional 1 sec per combo point spent.) make the spec seem a lot smoother to play.

Using Goremaw might be encouraged right before a SD cause you get energy from Goremaw itself AND you save 65-70 energy in that dance.

The goremaw's change is awesome, we'lll have to be more careful than ever to avoid capping energy though.

Best use will likely be to goremaws>5cp>Finisher>pool to 70/75(goremaw energy gen lowering pooling req)>dance(4ss, 1finisher)>finisher. We'd come out of dance with a full or nearly full energy bar.

I'm intrigued by the 7th/8th ranks for the shadow tech trait. 40% chance to proc two combo points is amazing, though we likely won't see rank 8, it's probably not the best use of relic traits. The 40 energy return on energetic stabbing is probably too much to make stacking it worthwhile.

Some nice stuff.

[shaunika123]

The goremaw's change is awesome, we'lll have to be more careful than ever to avoid capping energy though.

Best use will likely be to goremaws>5cp>Finisher>pool to 70/75(goremaw energy gen lowering pooling req)>dance(4ss, 1finisher)>finisher. We'd come out of dance with a full or nearly full energy bar.

I'm intrigued by the 7th/8th ranks for the shadow tech trait. 40% chance to proc two combo points is amazing, though we likely won't see rank 8, it's probably not the best use of relic traits. The 40 energy return on energetic stabbing is probably too much to make stacking it worthwhile.

Some nice stuff.

i think the best use of goremaw will be with anticipation

and goremaw->dance->SS+SS+finish+SS+SS

cos this way you dont "waste" the free finisher outside of a dance, because inside it's much more valuable

[elfporn]

i think the best use of goremaw will be with anticipation

and goremaw->dance->SS+SS+finish+SS+SS

cos this way you dont "waste" the free finisher outside of a dance, because inside it's much more valuable

I should have specified anticipation instead of taking it for granted - in both situations we'll take advantage of free finishers in dance.

The kicker is if the free finishers refund energy.

[shaunika123]

I should have specified anticipation instead of taking it for granted - in both situations we'll take advantage of free finishers in dance.

The kicker is if the free finishers refund energy.

if they didnt there'd be not much point in them

[Deleted]

Hi, are boots leg still viable for sub? What is current list of top legendaries? Is it bracers-shoulders-boots-ring/cloak?

I have cloak and ring now and expecting a drop soon, just want to know what i should pray to rngesus for.

[shardee]

Hi, are boots leg still viable for sub? What is current list of top legendaries? Is it bracers-shoulders-boots-ring/cloak?

I have cloak and ring now and expecting a drop soon, just want to know what i should pray to rngesus for.

Atm, boots are still highly valuable. AMR told me that bis legendaries are Boots + Shoulders. Bracers are also really insteresting, and cloak is bis for fights like Skorpyron, Spellblade, and other fights with tons of adds.

So basicaly, you are looking for Boots + shoulders for ST and at least Cloak for MT.

[DeadDream]

Atm, boots are still highly valuable. AMR told me that bis legendaries are Boots + Shoulders. Bracers are also really insteresting, and cloak is bis for fights like Skorpyron, Spellblade, and other fights with tons of adds.

So basicaly, you are looking for Boots + shoulders for ST and at least Cloak for MT.

From what I see, AMR measures shoulders incorrectly. I believe it assumes that shoulers work with SD, which is wrong. There is no other explanation, why AMR states that shoulders are 130k dps buff.

[shaunika123]

From what I see, AMR measures shoulders incorrectly. I believe it assumes that shoulers work with SD, which is wrong. There is no other explanation, why AMR states that shoulders are 130k dps buff.

well simcraft says they're bis too and about 20-25% better than the boots

however the way the boots are simmed assumes pitch perfect conditions for it's use with sprint, which on a lot of fights is not really feasible, so at best they're situationally bis

but they're really good nonetheless probably at least equal to boots/bracers if not slightly better overall