Legion - Subtlety discussion

[shoegazing]

You gave the impression you were clueless. It was written clearly in their rogue post, obviously they havn't done anything with it yet.

No, that is just your biased reading comprehension.

I literally said "they need to bite the bullet and give it back already" implying that I am well aware of the fact that they have been discussing it internally.

I have discussed the issue with Seph (one of the designers tasked with revamping Sub for 7.2.5) personally, who unlike Celestalon actually plays the class and gives a damn about the feedback of PvPers.

Changes will be slow but they have heard us and hopefully have learned quite a bit from their egregious mistakes with 7.0

[elfporn]

No, that is just your biased reading comprehension.

I literally said "they need to bite the bullet and give it back already" implying that I am well aware of the fact that they have been discussing it internally.

I have discussed the issue with Seph (one of the designers tasked with revamping Sub for 7.2.5) personally, who unlike Celestalon actually plays the class and gives a damn about the feedback of PvPers.

Changes will be slow but they have heard us and hopefully have learned quite a bit from their egregious mistakes with 7.0

Ahh, miscommunication then.

We're on the same page afterall.

Atleast we share the same opinion of celestalon.

[Raiz]

yes but why is it dead?

it's dead because Blizzard killed it with bad design choices that catered to PvE above everything else. it's not just random coincidence that no one plays WoW PvP anymore. it's the result of design choices.

and why would I go play League if my main complaint about WoW PvP in Legion is button pruning? lol

I'd like to chime in. Actually it's because the game was still new. It's dead now simply because that's how a game works. Look at every game you know nowadays, they all lost like 70% of the community 1 month after the game came out. You can't expect to keep the same numbers as before simply because not everything revolves around playing WoW.

If you ask me, Blizzard is doing a pretty godamn job for keeping a huge numbers of player 10 years after... No games have even came close (counter-strike maybe ?)

Edit : My bad, didn't think I was answering to a 3 months old post.

[Deleted]

Well, reading the PTR notes thread... the thought of losing the t19 2p HORRIFIES me. I am so used to the 30 sec Nightblade that going back to short Duration ones is going to be really painful :/

[Critical92]

I think the bis will be wrist + boots + t19 2pc + t20 4pc. With flickering gone the shoulders will loose value and giving up the t19 2pc hurts our eviscerates casts a lot.

[Deleted]

I think the bis will be wrist + boots + t19 2pc + t20 4pc. With flickering gone the shoulders will loose value and giving up the t19 2pc hurts our eviscerates casts a lot.

If you were talking about my post, we cant live with t19 2p forever. In the future, eventually, we will drop 2t19 and go back to cavern age duration Nightblade. The problem is that the longer we are keeping the 2t19, the loss is going to be VERY traumatic

This is counting that Blizzard devs dont throw a tantrum in 7.2.5 and directly disable old tiers in ToS lol.

[Deleted]

I think the bis will be wrist + boots + t19 2pc + t20 4pc. With flickering gone the shoulders will loose value and giving up the t19 2pc hurts our eviscerates casts a lot.

I got the bracers this week to go with the shoulders, am i now after the boots for 7.2.5? How good are the bracers in the current patch? New to sub rogue

[honung]

I think the bis will be wrist + boots + t19 2pc + t20 4pc. With flickering gone the shoulders will loose value and giving up the t19 2pc hurts our eviscerates casts a lot.

They probably won't allow stacking set bonuses like that. Would be very stupid as it screws over anyone that has legendary helm, shoulders, cloak, chest, gloves or legs. They presumably made the set a 6-piece in the first place to allow people who had both legendaries in those slots to use 4-set.

[elfporn]

They probably won't allow stacking set bonuses like that. Would be very stupid as it screws over anyone that has legendary helm, shoulders, cloak, chest, gloves or legs. They presumably made the set a 6-piece in the first place to allow people who had both legendaries in those slots to use 4-set.

They have mentioned that it is intended that players can use set bonuses in such a way that they get 2p, 2p, 4p. It's a player's gearing decision. They did mention though that it was an experiment, so we shall see if the idea remains.

[honung]

They have mentioned that it is intended that players can use set bonuses in such a way that they get 2p, 2p, 4p. It's a player's gearing decision. They did mention though that it was an experiment, so we shall see if the idea remains.

When did they say that? It's an absolutely idiotic idea because it makes a ton of legendaries useless. If that goes live the shitstorm will be real until it's deactivated. Don't see it happening.

[Morbownz]

When did they say that? It's an absolutely idiotic idea because it makes a ton of legendaries useless. If that goes live the shitstorm will be real until it's deactivated. Don't see it happening.

Long live Prydaz and Sephuz.

[elfporn]

When did they say that? It's an absolutely idiotic idea because it makes a ton of legendaries useless. If that goes live the shitstorm will be real until it's deactivated. Don't see it happening.

depends on how powerful the set bonus is as compared to the legendary

[honung]

depends on how powerful the set bonus is as compared to the legendary

More like how powerful the legendary is compared to the set bonus and a different legendary. It would be awful if this made it to live, but I just don't think it will, and if it does it will likely be reverted quickly when players from every class start complaining.

[Seliar]

They probably won't allow stacking set bonuses like that. Would be very stupid as it screws over anyone that has legendary helm, shoulders, cloak, chest, gloves or legs. They presumably made the set a 6-piece in the first place to allow people who had both legendaries in those slots to use 4-set.

Since when did they care about how they srew over their players?

[elfporn]

More like how powerful the legendary is compared to the set bonus and a different legendary. It would be awful if this made it to live, but I just don't think it will, and if it does it will likely be reverted quickly when players from every class start complaining.

It will make it live.

[Critical92]

It will go live because t19 can and will be titanforged to the same level as standard t20.
Blizz can only prevent this with either nerfing the old setboni or revert back to 5/5 set items. Both ways won't happen.

[honung]

It will go live because t19 can and will be titanforged to the same level as standard t20.
Blizz can only prevent this with either nerfing the old setboni or revert back to 5/5 set items. Both ways won't happen.

No? They can just straight up prevent it from happening, not allow you to use T20 4-set and T19 2-set, make 2-sets from tiers other than the one you have a 4-set from not work. Making a huge part of the legendary items in the game basically unusable would be an incredibly retarded decision.

[shaunika123]

they need to just bite the bullet and give us back crippling poison

using NB as a snare in PvP is extremely awkward and problematic... it completely eliminates the kite/restealth potential that virtually defined the entire playstyle of the class in PvP for 12 years

and you cannot tell me that assassination rogues needs to be a unique #classfantasy snowflake is more important than subtlety rogues needs to have a functional spec to play

i'd honestly much rather have a magic onhit slow called "definitely not crippling poison"
let assa have it's poisons

but frankly we already have a pre existing option called "waylay"
it just needs to be reinstated

[elfporn]

No? They can just straight up prevent it from happening, not allow you to use T20 4-set and T19 2-set, make 2-sets from tiers other than the one you have a 4-set from not work. Making a huge part of the legendary items in the game basically unusable would be an incredibly retarded decision.

But it doesnt make anything at all un-usuable. It's just a gearing choice like anything else. If one combination of gear is better, then use it. It doesn't make legendaries or set bonuses useless, it puts the decision of what gear to use on the player.

If it's better for you to use one or two legendaries in those slots you would use for the additional 2p bonus, then great! forgo the bonus for the better gearset.

Why is this so hard to understand? you go through these decisions every time you get a piece of loot.

[honung]

But it doesnt make anything at all un-usuable. It's just a gearing choice like anything else. If one combination of gear is better, then use it. It doesn't make legendaries or set bonuses useless, it puts the decision of what gear to use on the player.

If it's better for you to use one or two legendaries in those slots you would use for the additional 2p bonus, then great! forgo the bonus for the better gearset.

Why is this so hard to understand? you go through these decisions every time you get a piece of loot.

Any legendary that goes into one of those six slots is competing with a different legendary AND a 2-set. Therefore they will not be used. Do you not see how stupid it would be to allow "6-set"? It is the same problem they avoided by making the tier set 6 pieces. If it was 5 pieces, if you had for example legendary gloves and legs you could not get the 4-set. Now, if you have ONE of the following: helm, shoulders, cloak, chest, gloves and legs, you can't finish your tier set.