Legion Class Preview Series: Ret Paladin

[MBDTF]

Safe to say empowered seals is probably dead now also?

possibly all of our 100 talents.

[Aeonarial]

I hope EmpS is dead is was a clunky, crappy talent that I absolutely hated.

[MBDTF]

I hope EmpS is dead is was a clunky, crappy talent that I absolutely hated.

possibility of no seals and 12 second judgement cd makes it seem more than likely its dead boyz

[Monoroth]

I can't see them taking HoW. It not being listed under mastery is slightly worrisome though. There was a similar furore about the fate of SW: D until someone pointed out it was a spell affected by our mastery.

I wonder if HoR will work the same as Prot's does if we have regained Consecration.

Maintaining Judgment debuff excites me not at all. But then it probably won't be difficult at least, will make changing targets more of a hinderance if anything.

Random extra HP seems kinda cool. I think I'll miss being able to cast some moves at range. Throwing swords and teleporting to them sounds all kinds of awesome.

Overall not especially excited.

It wont be maintaing it, it most cases youll just keep using judge normaly or couple sec before finisher. Think of it like a Colosus Smash but with shorter cd and more potential. This could make us one of the best specs for target switch, pool holy power in preparation for add delay judge, add pops out and you have 5hopo and do 30% more holy damage to that add.

[Role Unknown]

Teleport? That doesn't fit the theme/fantasy of Paladins...

Where is my leap + strike ability?
And why does Crusader Strike still have a cooldown...?

Came in here to mention the same thing...a teleporting ability?!?! really...not too many of those in fantasy rpgs.....i mean we will have Tirion's Ashbringer...and what does he use on Lich King......leap and strike!...now thats more a paladin move

[xezar]

So I'm confused...since it doesn't look like Judgment generates HP anymore...where does that leave Exorcism? Are Rets just hitting CS almost every 5 seconds and this new BoJ every 12 seconds and /dancing inbetween?

Also how nice is it the other two specs do away with horrid CP system ripoff, but Ret keeps it. Obviously smart thinking on their part. /sarcasm

[Monoroth]

So I'm confused...since it doesn't look like Judgment generates HP anymore...where does that leave Exorcism? Are Rets just hitting CS almost every 5 seconds and this new BoJ every 12 seconds and /dancing inbetween?

Also how nice is it the other two specs do away with horrid CP system ripoff, but Ret keeps it. Obviously smart thinking on their part. /sarcasm

I wouldnt jump on many conclusions as we have no idea about talents (which should give massive depth to every spec) and we need to see which spells got removed and which did not.

[Kiki b]

There's still no gap closer guys, the teleport is a talent, and those are separate in pve/pvp

[-Rufio-]

12 second judgement means long arm of the law just turned to shit.

sad face

[Darkchickens]

12 second judgement means long arm of the law just turned to shit.

sad face

I'm willing to bet that's the talent they removed to make room for our new gap closer talent.

[Wow]

and those are separate in pve/pvp

They've never said that. There are two sets of talents but they've never said they aren't both used at the same time in pvp

[Isolyphic]

They've never said that. There are two sets of talents but they've never said they aren't both used at the same time.

They have said that the PvP Talents are exclusive to PvP Content, and would work together with our specialization talents.

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So nothing about our AOE Mechanics excluding Blizzard's most treasured Paladin ability (Divine Storm).
If Seals are gone, then good bye to a lot of our passive damage.
Judgement will be played along side of both Templar's Verdict and Blade of Justice.
I think we'll see an ability or two that will fill the huge gaps of cooldowns but do not generate or consume Holy Power.

[Morally Grey Storm]

Refocus on short range combat
No short cd gap closer introduced
Me not surprised

[OGXanos]

I dislike the loss of our 'midrange' melee identity. Otherwise though Keep it coming. Sounds good.

[Rogal Dorn]

Refocus on short range combat
No short cd gap closer introduced
Me not surprised

We can be the most mobile melee mail/plate wearer if we still have emancipate, freedom and sprint talent.

[Firann]

We can be the most mobile melee mail/plate wearer if we still have emancipate, freedom and sprint talent.

They specifically stating the teleport replacing "Hand of Hinderance". Just by the name we can imagine that its some kind of slow.

Its probable tha some judgement effects from seals have been baked to new Hand spells. So now we have Freedom and Hinderance

[Morally Grey Storm]

We can be the most mobile melee mail/plate wearer if we still have emancipate, freedom and sprint talent.

As if we were before.
As if it helped before.
As if Emancipate was actually useful in the World of Autoapplied Snares.
How typical of an Imperial Fist /scoff

[Deleted]

Maintaining Judgment debuff excites me not at all. But then it probably won't be difficult at least, will make changing targets more of a hinderance if anything.

You can't maintian it though. It has a 12 sec CD and a 6 sec duration. I bet you'll need to time it right to use in combination with hard-hitting spells.

[Morally Grey Storm]

No ranged hopo generation coupled with no means to close the gap sounds like fun to me

[arel00]

They have said that the PvP Talents are exclusive to PvP Content, and would work together with our specialization talents.

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So nothing about our AOE Mechanics excluding Blizzard's most treasured Paladin ability (Divine Storm).
If Seals are gone, then good bye to a lot of our passive damage.
Judgement will be played along side of both Templar's Verdict and Blade of Justice.
I think we'll see an ability or two that will fill the huge gaps of cooldowns but do not generate or consume Holy Power.

Regarding AoE, it seems from pictures of people trying the Beta that we got Consecration back as Ret.

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No ranged hopo generation coupled with no means to close the gap sounds like fun to me

You're kidding right? The only talent listed in the preview is a gap closer!