Defile buff trinkets

[Piz813]

word is patch is confirmed for the 17th. reading a few posts here and BoS is good for short fights and UH Defile for everything else. So does that mean EDH for UH again with Defile spec? If so, pair it with M Vial or UnH?

[Khiyone]

I don't see how Defile can be remotely competitive with Breath even with the changes.

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I mean, how is defile magically gonna get ahead of BoS and NP that much when NP is getting buffed too, and BoS is way more than 10% ahead of defile even on 4 min+ fights?

[Piz813]

I don't see how Defile can be remotely competitive with Breath even with the changes.

yes.. we understand BoS is king if done correctly. with or without vial.... for those of us that dislike it and want to use a different talent, this question was aimed at them. Not everyones guild can do M iron reaver in 110 seconds...

Few have said the gap will be closer. So going by that I was asking which trinkets should be used.

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Next week or the week after defile will be stronger than it is now and likely the default choice when not using BoS or if your using BoS incorrectly.

BoS will still be very strong even though it has not received a buff, this is because fights will be shorter.

1) Try running sim's, none BoS unholy with defile will be strong 6.3.2 and likely ahead of DW Frost. BoS Unholy should still be stronger though with correct use and trinket.

2) At the moment its a fairly large gap if you can play BoS well. Next week or the week after the gap will be smaller, but still a little gap. Since you don't have the trinket and you are likely still progressing fight lengths are likely to be longer than those people who are on farm. This will make Defile even stronger for you personally.

3) Probably not. But you can still get stats from askmrrobot. Once you have done this i recommend getting this addon http://www.curse.com/addons/wow/stat-weight-score. (Will just tell you whats an upgrade or not depending on stat weights in game.)

Soon as fight lengths start getting under 4 mins and you have mastered BoS it should still come out ontop over defile though even without the trinket.

Unholy should still be ahead of frost without BoS and trinket. Your gear looks fine for both Unholy and Frost.


this and some other posts in the Frost or UH Mythic thread here

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For the answer to your question, vial is not gonna be strong for defile, since the only reason it's used with breath is because it lines up perfectly with breath, it would not line up perfectly with Defile, only hit 1/4 defiles if used on CD as it should. UeH would still be strong in its own right, So UeH+cleave/EDH would probably be the ideal.

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Defile still won't pass BoS.

[Piz813]

For the answer to your question, vial is not gonna be strong for defile, since the only reason it's used with breath is because it lines up perfectly with breath, it would not line up perfectly with Defile, only hit 1/4 defiles if used on CD as it should. UeH would still be strong in its own right, So UeH+cleave/EDH would probably be the ideal.

ok thank you

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Defile still won't pass BoS.

yes... we get it.... BoS is the best. Defile and NP buff are meaningless

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Defile still won't pass BoS.

yes... we get it.... BoS is the best. Defile and NP buff are meaningless

[Shiira]

yes.. we understand BoS is king if done correctly. with or without vial.... for those of us that dislike it and want to use a different talent, this question was aimed at them. Not everyones guild can do M iron reaver in 110 seconds...

Defile isn't being buffed any more than necrotic plague, so plague is still going to be the better option if you refuse to use breath.

110 seconds is a terrible kill time for breath anyway, cooldowns are at their best when a boss dies right after they end.

[Stacie]

Defile isn't being buffed any more than necrotic plague, so plague is still going to be the better option if you refuse to use breath.

110 seconds is a terrible kill time for breath anyway, cooldowns are at their best when a boss dies right after they end.

True on some fights where adds are up for a longish period of time. But with the extra ilvl's added to everyone's gear adds will blow up quicker thus less ticks of NP. If your raiding mythic you probably have a few warriors, warlocks and others who will nuke them adds so quick NP will be lucky to get 2 ticks off.

Defile will do more ST damage (Don't forget Frost Fever, Blood Plague get a 10% buff also). It will likely become the default choice for a fair amount of fights if people refuse to use BoS for whatever reason.

[Halliax]

True on some fights where adds are up for a longish period of time. But with the extra ilvl's added to everyone's gear adds will blow up quicker thus less ticks of NP. If your raiding mythic you probably have a few warriors, warlocks and others who will nuke them adds so quick NP will be lucky to get 2 ticks off.

Defile will do more ST damage (Don't forget Frost Fever, Blood Plague get a 10% buff also). It will likely become the default choice for a fair amount of fights if people refuse to use BoS for whatever reason.

In single targets fights, using defile, Frost will deal more damage.

[Raikh]

In single targets fights, using defile, Frost will deal more damage.

This pretty much.

The only reason that unholy beats frost dw on ST and light cleave is BoS. Without BoS or an AoE situation befitting NP Frost will pull ahead regardless of fight length.

So if your goal is to play the most optimal spec with the one condition of not having to use BoS then frost dw is a better choice than unholy for all fights where you can't effectively use NP.
This is especially true for light cleave like tyrant as unholy has no good light cleave in its basic kit to begin with, while frost has passive AoE/cleave with HB while still sititng at maximum ST performance.

If you just want to go unholy but not with BoS, then its obviously defile for ST and probably light cleave. BiS trinkets as of now will be EDH and UeH for ST and with the upcoming patch the new heirloom trinket will take the place of one of those, most likely EDH.

[Piz813]

This pretty much.

The only reason that unholy beats frost dw on ST and light cleave is BoS. Without BoS or an AoE situation befitting NP Frost will pull ahead regardless of fight length.

So if your goal is to play the most optimal spec with the one condition of not having to use BoS then frost dw is a better choice than unholy for all fights where you can't effectively use NP.
This is especially true for light cleave like tyrant as unholy has no good light cleave in its basic kit to begin with, while frost has passive AoE/cleave with HB while still sititng at maximum ST performance.

If you just want to go unholy but not with BoS, then its obviously defile for ST and probably light cleave. BiS trinkets as of now will be EDH and UeH for ST and with the upcoming patch the new heirloom trinket will take the place of one of those, most likely EDH.

thank you. this answered my question.

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The heirloom trinket has been nerfed to 1200 strength, so it's currently useless. Vial and UeH are still the best trinkets when running BoS regardless of fight length.
Trinkets for Defile as Unholy will be UeH and Vial if the fight is less than 2 minutes and both trinkets are nonsocketed, nonwarforged. The gap is between 740 EDH and 700 Vial is super small for Defile.

[Khiyone]

The heirloom trinket has been nerfed to 1200 strength, so it's currently useless. Vial and UeH are still the best trinkets when running BoS regardless of fight length.
Trinkets for Defile as Unholy will be UeH and Vial if the fight is less than 2 minutes and both trinkets are nonsocketed, nonwarforged. The gap is between 740 EDH and 700 Vial is super small for Defile.

When was this changed, and how much strength was the heirloom trinket giving before?

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The heirloom trinket has been nerfed to 1200 strength, so it's currently useless. Vial and UeH are still the best trinkets when running BoS regardless of fight length.
Trinkets for Defile as Unholy will be UeH and Vial if the fight is less than 2 minutes and both trinkets are nonsocketed, nonwarforged. The gap is between 740 EDH and 700 Vial is super small for Defile.

It was never 2.5k STR at lvl 100, try again.

[Maxweii]

It was never 2.5k STR at lvl 100, try again.

I think likely people saw the 110 version of the trinket and were excited by it, so didn't notice what level it was at. Which would explain why it was so "incredible" at first.

[Piz813]

The heirloom trinket has been nerfed to 1200 strength, so it's currently useless. Vial and UeH are still the best trinkets when running BoS regardless of fight length.
Trinkets for Defile as Unholy will be UeH and Vial if the fight is less than 2 minutes and both trinkets are nonsocketed, nonwarforged. The gap is between 740 EDH and 700 Vial is super small for Defile.

Ok so UnH and M vial for UH defile over using EDH again. Gotcha. NP for gorefiend and DW frost for everything else when not going BoS for any fight. Will our class trinket still be used for assault? Or stick with DC?

[Deleted]

Be careful with np on gorefiend the mirrors die very easily

[Piz813]

word is patch is confirmed for the 17th. reading a few posts here and BoS is good for short fights and UH Defile for everything else. So does that mean EDH for UH again with Defile spec? If so, pair it with M Vial or UnH?

OK Fuck Defile.

Every fucking tank/mob/critter/boss just loves to move out of it and ruin my life. DW Frost is not even enjoyable.

Back to UH...

[Sunnydee]

OK Fuck Defile.

Every fucking tank/mob/critter/boss just loves to move out of it and ruin my life. DW Frost is not even enjoyable.

Back to UH...

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