Feral level 100 Talents wtf

[XSV9222]

So I was checking out the level 100 talent tier for feral druids and I noticed something that confused my greatly. Savage Roar (SR) and Bloodtalons (BT) on the same tier. I did some quick damage tests (live servers) with each buff up individually and noticed that SR pulled ahead slightly in dps on ferocious bite finishers. What has me confused is the part where a player can have 40% increased damage for up to 42 secs on ALL physical damage dealt vs the next two melee abilities doing 30% increased damage after casting a healing touch. Is there any reason to take BT over SR? Seems like more work for less results.

[Rioo]

You shouldn't look at the numbers for now as they've just taken the values from live. They'll lower SR or up BT early in the beta.

[Deleted]

You shouldn't look at the numbers for now as they've just taken the values from live. They'll lower SR or up BT early in the beta.

I think the fact SR is now a talent is abysmal without looking at the numbers. We saw this trend from MoP > WoD where they basically moved DoC down a tier and calld it Bloodtalons. Now they adding SR to talents and making us pick between that or bloodtalons? it's not only extremely lazy, it's just damn right stupid. Hopefully this changes and it's just a placeholder because a lot of the other talents actually seem ok.

[Totemslap]

I think the fact SR is now a talent is abysmal without looking at the numbers. We saw this trend from MoP > WoD where they basically moved DoC down a tier and calld it Bloodtalons. Now they adding SR to talents and making us pick between that or bloodtalons? it's not only extremely lazy, it's just damn right stupid. Hopefully this changes and it's just a placeholder because a lot of the other talents actually seem ok.

Congratulations on being literally the first Feral Druid I've seen who isn't thrilled that SR may be optional in the future. I don't know what you're smoking that would rather you have it be baseline than a talent, but that's one strain I'll stay clear of, thanks.

And I can guarantee you it's not a placeholder. Savage Roar being a talent is one of the few changes coming for Feral that Blizzard detailed ahead of time.

[aggixx]

Congratulations on being literally the first Feral Druid I've seen who isn't thrilled that SR may be optional in the future. I don't know what you're smoking that would rather you have it be baseline than a talent, but that's one strain I'll stay clear of, thanks.

You must not have looked very far. There probably are few people that like SR specifically, yes, but I'm sure there's plenty of people would rather have SR than only have 1 finisher to manage.

[Charge me Doctor]

SR may be a pain in the ass to manage in pvp i guess. But i wouldn't look at numbers at beta

[Krusza]

SR may be a pain in the ass to manage in pvp i guess. But i wouldn't look at numbers at beta

SR is no problem at all to manage in PvP. Easier to manage than in PvE.

That being said, as a PvPer, I still don't like it. But I'm not going to judge anything from paper until I've played it in beta. I find all the raging and whining a bit annoying just from reading some descriptions from a really early state beta.

[huth]

You shouldn't look at the numbers for now as they've just taken the values from live. They'll lower SR or up BT early in the beta.

And actual balancing won't be done until the very end of beta. For now, the numbers are just pretty decorations.

[roflwaffle]

And actual balancing won't be done until the very end of beta. For now, the numbers are just pretty decorations.

hell i think their placements in the trees are even debatable

[Deleted]

Congratulations on being literally the first Feral Druid I've seen who isn't thrilled that SR may be optional in the future. I don't know what you're smoking that would rather you have it be baseline than a talent, but that's one strain I'll stay clear of, thanks.

And I can guarantee you it's not a placeholder. Savage Roar being a talent is one of the few changes coming for Feral that Blizzard detailed ahead of time.

You seem to not know much about the feral community. Most know SR is here to stay, the only reason most do not like it is because a flat 40% damage increase is boring. They could do so much with the talent, yet it remains the same.

You sound like the type of person who found feral in cata "fun". Where the only thing you had to really do was just extend the same rip for the entire fight. It's boring, and not the reason I play feral, so yes, while I question a 40% damage increase, I do not question having more then 3 buttons to press. I would roll a different spec if I wanted to be bored.

[teddabear]

Congratulations on being literally the first Feral Druid I've seen who isn't thrilled that SR may be optional in the future. I don't know what you're smoking that would rather you have it be baseline than a talent, but that's one strain I'll stay clear of, thanks.

And I can guarantee you it's not a placeholder. Savage Roar being a talent is one of the few changes coming for Feral that Blizzard detailed ahead of time.

Uhh. No.

Might want to check Fluid Druid before you make statements like that.

[Wolfheart9]

Personally enjoy that it's a talent, and most other Ferals I know that worry about how enjoyable a rotation is and not just pushing out that extra 1% agree that they'd rather not have it. In a patchwork style fight yea you can keep it rolling fine, but if your group needs you to hybrid it up (Affinity talents), suddenly that rotation may break, or you had to brez someone, so on so fourth.

I rather enjoy having the ability to use rip and FB as my finishers, while knowing if push comes to shove on an interrupt add fight I can blow maim without worrying about losing 40% of my damage.

[Deleted]

You seem to not know much about the feral community. Most know SR is here to stay, the only reason most do not like it is because a flat 40% damage increase is boring. They could do so much with the talent, yet it remains the same.

You sound like the type of person who found feral in cata "fun". Where the only thing you had to really do was just extend the same rip for the entire fight. It's boring, and not the reason I play feral, so yes, while I question a 40% damage increase, I do not question having more then 3 buttons to press. I would roll a different spec if I wanted to be bored.

Personally i think it's only fair to add SR as a talent since there are plenty of people who like the spell as well as those who hate it. Adding choise is great, let's just hope that the other choices are viable.

[Dafool11]

I think the fact SR is now a talent is abysmal without looking at the numbers. We saw this trend from MoP > WoD where they basically moved DoC down a tier and calld it Bloodtalons. Now they adding SR to talents and making us pick between that or bloodtalons? it's not only extremely lazy, it's just damn right stupid. Hopefully this changes and it's just a placeholder because a lot of the other talents actually seem ok.

I agree, I feel like it's very lazy. I've never found SR an exciting ability to press, but I do appreciate the additional complexity to the rotation.

[Blueredwolf]

I really enjoy SR and BT. It will be sad to lose one of them.

[teddabear]

I really enjoy SR and BT. It will be sad to lose one of them.

The bizarre part is this design pisses off everybody. Moment of Clarity will most likely not be competitive at all so the casuals will be pissed, and the more advanced players will be pissed that they are losing at least one of their 2 favorite abilities. Moment of Clarity also has the issue of having to keep low energy in order not to waste energy from OoC procs. I hope that tier gets redone.

[Deleted]

I really enjoy SR and BT. It will be sad to lose one of them.

I like both abilities, however with Bloodtalons I think whilst it's a fun idea it just doesn't work with us. Our damage revolving around it currently is part of our handicap imo, not because of skill barrier, just because we're limited to what we can do to an extent.

For example mass raking mobs, we're raking everything for 30% less than "normal" and the normal being what our damage is balanced around.

As for them being on the same tier, I'm reserving judgement til that's obviously changed.

[Deleted]

And I can guarantee you it's not a placeholder. Savage Roar being a talent is one of the few changes coming for Feral that Blizzard detailed ahead of time.

Already changed to a level 75 talent, and in a much better position.

[huth]

Already changed to a level 75 talent, and in a much better position.

Also nerfed quite a bit.

[Deleted]

Also nerfed quite a bit.

True but our lvl 100s talents seem alright now imo. Aslong as bloody slash provides some good aoe.