The Thrill Is Gone for Obamacare as Health-Care Approval Fades

[Scathbais]

Utterly meaningless, but okay.

Universal healthcare does not necessarily entail government run hospitals (though if the NHS is anything to go by it's actually quite good). Literally all single-payer means is that the government foots the bill.

Talk about utterly meaningless. The government doesn't foot the bill. Government decides the cost and forces the taxpayers foot the bill. Big difference

[Spraxle]

The thing that bugs me about 'Obamacare' is that it doesn't do me any good. What I mean is my income is three times below the poverty line. But the state I live in does not help cover medicare for people below poverty line. The medicare program is even subsidized by the federal government...

I also have issues with the inability to contact someone easily there to ask them questions. There being healthcare.gov. Going through the paper work the other day all I got out of it was a code that makes me tax exempt on the 'pay a fine if you do not have insurance' piece of my 2015 taxes. But no way to talk to someone there with questions about possibly getting medicare coverage or something because of my health issues. Yes it asks you if you have health issues, but I have specific questions and they are not 'debilitating' which was the only option they had on there when filling out the paper work. Ugh...

[Elegiac]

Would make it worse then, fixed price vs profit margins. The only way to improve profits is to cut costs.....

The healthcare systems of pretty much every other developed country demonstrates otherwise.

And if the VA is anything to go by, US government run hospitals are not so good...........

So your answer is that Americans just happen to be uniquely terrible at administering anything correctly.

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Talk about utterly meaningless. The government doesn't foot the bill. Government decides the cost and forces the taxpayers foot the bill. Big difference

Yeah, the big difference being better coverage for the majority of people at less cost.

[Incredibale]

Total garbage

Since what you posted was a bunch of wharblgrbl I'm going to only address the detritus about the republican plan thing, which is BS. It was a Heritage think tank plan which they cooked up as something slightly more palatable than Hildabeast's UHC. It wasnt a mainstream republican idea. This is dumber than the Al Gore internet stuff or Love Boat.

[mhdoe]

When it was written it was a failure and I can only hope after the majority of insurance company's and co-ops pull out it goes away.

[Elegiac]

When it was written it was a failure and I can only hope after the majority of insurance company's and co-ops pull out it goes away.

So what, you prefer a system in which a huge section of the population is uninsured and have their coverage denied for incredibly stupid reasons?

[Kellhound]

The healthcare systems of pretty much every other developed country demonstrates otherwise.



So your answer is that Americans just happen to be uniquely terrible at administering anything correctly.

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Yeah, the big difference being better coverage for the majority of people at less cost.

This is the US, not other places. I am not stupid enough to think in pie-in-the-sky-utopia changes to how things operate here. Yes, the US government IS terrible at administrating things.

[Demona3]

All I know is, we pay well over $800 a month for healthcare for a family of 4. Kinda retarded at this point.

[Crissi]

How are people paying so much? Adult female here with pre existing conditions(not serious but apparantly they still count). Pay 250 a month

Which is actually cheaper than pre Obama care...

[Elegiac]

This is the US, not other places. I am not stupid enough to think in pie-in-the-sky-utopia changes to how things operate here. Yes, the US government IS terrible at administrating things.

Cool.

I suppose we should disband the US Armed Forces then because Americans are clearly so terrible at administration.

[Masark]

And if the VA is anything to go by, US government run hospitals are not so good...........

Despite which, they top the charts for patient satisfaction, followed closely by Medicare and Medicaid.

[Elegiac]

Despite which, they top the charts for patient satisfaction, followed closely by Medicare and Medicaid.

Don't let facts get in the way of the anti-establishment fantasy, though.

[Shadowferal]

Hmf...I had an HMO that I paid $36/month and everything was covered.
After the ACA kicked in, my payments were 5x the amount for specific coverage, but I was told it was better. But they could never specify just how that was except that in almost every category I had to pay out the ass if I had anything wrong with me.
As I am a single male I am that particular demographic that was focused upon to carry the burden of increased payments, in effect to help pay down others.
Fortunately, I'm still healthy and have not needed to go to the doctor for any reason in the past 5 years. Needless to say since the ACA I no longer carry insuance. I did the math and even with the penalties the IRS metes out I still come out ahead as long as I never need medical attention.
The Healthcare industry got paid off with the ACA. And will continue to do so as long as it never has to compete with single-payer. (I'm keeping an eye on Colorado. They're supposed to be voting on that sort of thing)

[Kellhound]

Cool.

I suppose we should disband the US Armed Forces then because Americans are clearly so terrible at administration.

The government does do a bad job of administrating the US military, but it is one of the few legitimate duties of the federal government and we don't like the idea of a military that isn't civilian controlled. It would be better run sans civilian intervention.

[Masark]

Don't let facts get in the way of the anti-establishment fantasy, though.

I predict the response will be "Well of course they're happy with it! They're getting shit for free!"

[Elegiac]

It would be better run sans civilian intervention.

Implying the civic sector of this country isn't the exploited appendage of its so called protectors.

[Kellhound]

I predict the response will be "Well of course they're happy with it! They're getting shit for free!"

If the shoe fits.

It is the only reason I use the VA.

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Implying the civic sector of this country isn't the exploited appendage of its so called protectors.

Because it isnt. A great deal of the bloat and stupidity is forced onto the Pentagon.

[Orbitus]

All I know is, we pay well over $800 a month for healthcare for a family of 4. Kinda retarded at this point.

You should say thanks to the Republicans for their gutted plan they made during the committee hearings for it.

[Scathbais]

You should say thanks to the Republicans for their gutted plan they made during the committee hearings for it.

You do realize that Pelosi and the democrats shut the republicans completely out of writing Obamacare? Right? How can you now try to lay blame for Demona3's health care costs on the republicans?

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The healthcare systems of pretty much every other developed country demonstrates otherwise.



So your answer is that Americans just happen to be uniquely terrible at administering anything correctly.

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Yeah, the big difference being better coverage for the majority of people at less cost.

"Better" coverage? Costs are going up not down, particularly for young healthy adults who are being forced to pay for unnecessary coverage to subsidise the sick and the poor.

[Masark]

You do realize that Pelosi and the democrats shut the republicans completely out of writing Obamacare? Right?

Care to try again?