so sargeras and the nathrazim.

[Deleted]

So we all know that nathrazim effected sargeras to become evil and into dispair.

However we all see sargeras as the evil he is today, but we dont think twice.

What if sargeras is fighting the mind himself just as arthas did, just that he have not lost yet becuse he is a very powerful titan.

And thats also why he have not destroyed azeroth yet.

becuse he is fighting back the nethrazim, the nethrazim cannot die, only one could infact be dead and thats the one arthas slew with frostmourne.

That means, bolvar is now the lich king you know, legion is invading azeroth.

the nathrazim wanted lich king dead at all cost, why is that? there sure is some sort of thing here that threatens the nathrazim that can kill them.
thats why, what if the true leaders of burning legion is the nathrazim?


For me it point to this direction so much, but no one can know fully until blizzard takes a direction.

Is there any evidence that this could not be the case? if so link please becuse im trying to find it, and all i find in books and lore supports my theory so far.

Then again its blizzard we are talking about they mess upp stuff so much that their storytelling and lore confuses themselves somtimes

[Destinas]

Sargeras wasn't corrupted or anything. He saw the evil the demons had made, but ultimately felt that the "order" the Titans try to make across all worlds is futile. He decided to create an army with all the demons (and make new demons) to undo the Titans' order. Much of this was stated in this book, but it was expanded upon in the 5th issue of the Warcraft Magazine.

The reason Sargeras didn't destroy Azeroth is because he never actually made it onto Azeroth himself. He spoke through a portal to Azshara and Xavius 10,000 years ago, and his plan was to use the Well as a portal onto the planet. It imploded when he tried to get through (due to Malfurion, Deathwing, the Old Gods, etc) and he never actually made it into Azeroth. But the Burning Legion made a huge mess anyway. His plan was to kill and convert as many mortals as he could, and then destroy the planet. It's mentioned quite a bit in the WotA trilogy. He tried to destroy Azeroth again through Aegwynn/Medivh by planting his Avatar inside Medivh, thus why the First War started (since it was Sargeras making Medivh summon the Orcs to destroy Azeroth). The demons were trying to screw up the planet as much as possible in the Third War as well, thus why Archimonde was trying to kill Nordrassil. It should be noted that Nordrassil is so large and magical that it is connected to the Emerald Dream, which means that if it ever fully died, it would affect the Titans' "order" in the Dream, as well.

The reason the Dreadlords are interested in the Lich King is because his powers and Frostmourne are demonic in origin. Frostmourne was a Nathrezim blade. Kil'jaeden was the one that trapped Ner'zhul inside the armor, and the Dreadlords led Arthas to Frostmourne. Arthas was already on his way toward Ner'zhul, in the end. By using the powers of the undead (which, the earliest recording of necromantic powers are the Dreadlords) the Scourge was doing what the Legion wanted anyway: screwing up Azeroth. After the Third War, only a few demons seemed to check up on Arthas - presumably Mal'ganis wanted to see how his work was coming along, and cause more problems among mortals by pushing the Scarlet Onslaught to attack the undead.

Now, that's not to say that there couldn't be a part of Sargeras that's good, still. For a long time, I thought he was "corrupted" or somethign as well, but most sources simply say (in a round-about way) that he changed his mind after going through a depression. We'll be finding out more about Sargeras and the Legion in the coming expansion, however.

[Aquamonkey]

Seeing their wickedness along with all the other evil demons caused him to lose faith in his mission. He didn't literally fall to corruption, he just came to believe the Pantheon's methods were futile in a fundamentally flawed universe. He didn't come into contact with the nathrezim again until after he created the Legion and recruited the eredar. The nathrezim were enslaved by Kil'jaeden, and brought into the Legion. At this point, Sargeras was already on his Burning Crusade.

Once a noble warrior for order and peace, Sargeras came to believe that there was a fundamental flaw in the universe, a flaw that made his primary purpose an impossible goal. He decided that the other titans were deeply misguided in trying to establish order throughout creation. Under the circumstances, the struggle was futile. The universe had to be destroyed utterly and remade without the underlying defect. Only then could true order be achieved. Thus, Sargeras conceived of a sweeping campaign to bring about the end of all things: the Burning Crusade.
[...]
The eredar were the first sentient race to pledge their allegiance to Sargeras, and they remain its primary commanders to this day. Knowing that other sentient beings would inevitably join the Legion, the eredar declared that their primary language, Eredun, would be the Legion's common language.
[...]
All demons once feared Sargeras' vast might and fury. However, most demons in the Legion served him simply because they enjoy doing so. The highest-ranking and most intelligent demons knew their creator's ultimate purpose. Even today such demons do not fear the cataclysm they work toward, for they have been promised that they will rule the newborn universe to come. (WC Encyclopedia)

"Kil'jaeden's first move was to enslave the vampiric dreadlords under his terrible power. The dreadlords served as his personal agents throughout the universe, and they took pleasure in locating primitive races for their master to corrupt and bring into the fold. First amongst the dreadlords was Tichondrius the Darkener. Tichondrius served Kil'jaeden as the perfect soldier and agreed to bring Sargeras' burning will to all the dark corners of the universe."

[Aucald]

I wonder if the demons understand that in order for Sargeras to achieve his ambitions they too have to die at the end of the Burning Crusade? Perhaps some of them understand but simply don't care - the chance to cause destruction and chaos on a nigh universal scale is just more important than their continued existences.

[Aquamonkey]

I wonder if the demons understand that in order for Sargeras to achieve his ambitions they too have to die at the end of the Burning Crusade? Perhaps some of them understand but simply don't care - the chance to cause destruction and chaos on a nigh universal scale is just more important than their continued existences.

All demons once feared Sargeras' vast might and fury. However, most demons in the Legion served him simply because they enjoy doing so. The highest-ranking and most intelligent demons knew their creator's ultimate purpose. Even today such demons do not fear the cataclysm they work toward, for they have been promised that they will rule the newborn universe to come. (WC Encyclopedia)

[Aucald]

All demons once feared Sargeras' vast might and fury. However, most demons in the Legion served him simply because they enjoy doing so. The highest-ranking and most intelligent demons knew their creator's ultimate purpose. Even today such demons do not fear the cataclysm they work toward, for they have been promised that they will rule the newborn universe to come. (WC Encyclopedia)

So basically they're misled - they believe they're going to rule the next universe that Sargeras directs, but more than likely he will destroy them all as castings from an imperfect mold. I wonder if he counts himself as the same, as a product from the original flawed creation?

[Rathbourne]

So basically they're misled - they believe they're going to rule the next universe that Sargeras directs, but more than likely he will destroy them all as castings from an imperfect mold. I wonder if he counts himself as the same, as a product from the original flawed creation?

Sargeras mission is to destroy all of creation and Velen's shortstory hints that in the end he will destroy himself since he is part of this imperfect universe.

Velen:Prophet’s Lesson
Page 9

"And then a shadow fell.

It was vast and empty and swallowed all light that entered it. Velen knew it would be all consuming until, at last, it would turn and devour itself, endlessly gnawing on nothing in the Great Dark Beyond, removing all meaning from the universe, from the most heart-breaking sonata to the most arresting sunset. It was too terrible to see, to comprehend, and yet the army headed straight for it. And the light began to fade..."

PS: This is just a hint/interpretation .

[Aucald]

Sargeras mission is to destroy all of creation and Velen's shortstory hints that in the end he will destroy himself since he is part of this imperfect universe.

Velen:Prophet’s Lesson
Page 9

"And then a shadow fell.

It was vast and empty and swallowed all light that entered it. Velen knew it would be all consuming until, at last, it would turn and devour itself, endlessly gnawing on nothing in the Great Dark Beyond, removing all meaning from the universe, from the most heart-breaking sonata to the most arresting sunset. It was too terrible to see, to comprehend, and yet the army headed straight for it. And the light began to fade..."

PS: This is just a hint/interpretation .

This always struck me as being a more Old God-like outcome than Sargeras' ultimate end - something about the way Velen describes makes me thing about the universe the Old Gods would create if they could.

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This always struck me as being a more Old God-like outcome than Sargeras' ultimate end - something about the way Velen describes makes me thing about the universe the Old Gods would create if they could.

Gnawing at the universe... That would certainly fit to the Old Gods as parasitic life forms.
Then again, as far as we know the OG don't want to "devour" the universe, they want chaos.
Also, the "Army of the Light" is often used in a context with the Burning Legion (I think).
Then again, light and void are the two contrasting forces of this world, and if the light vanishes... (OGs areconnected to the void, somehow)

[Rathbourne]

This always struck me as being a more Old God-like outcome than Sargeras' ultimate end - something about the way Velen describes makes me thing about the universe the Old Gods would create if they could.

Velen's visions are mainly concerned with the Legion.Also considering the fact that he had a previous vision of a planet being blown up by demons,its closer to being Legion than Old Gods.And like Prandoff said,Old Gods seek to enslave and rule the universe rather than destroy/devour it.

[sam86]

While BL in general is out to consume world, Sargeras specifically is out to undo titans work, he shown no plan to do anything except undo titan work and return the world to its original chaotic form
Old gods ultimate plan is hour of twilight we saw in Cataclysm, Sargeras plan is actually something more like emerald dream : world with no titan work, very primitive

[bison91]

Nethrezim are nobody. only dreadlords. And its kil'jaeden who wanted to bring death to lich king coz he betrayed him. thats it, its not the lich king issue that they cant afford. its something else that blizzard will show us in whole xpac. this one must have a huge scenario. the plan on brining legion and to fight it in warcraft 3 was..almost full game unti the end of reign of chaos. we have many many available characters (and their souls) here. I only fear that blizzard will screw up the storyline and kill eveyone in a sec. WoD is the example where we had 10 heroes but no propper story. PELASE BLIZZARD DONT FUCK UP!

[Aquamonkey]

While BL in general is out to consume world, Sargeras specifically is out to undo titans work, he shown no plan to do anything except undo titan work and return the world to its original chaotic form
Old gods ultimate plan is hour of twilight we saw in Cataclysm, Sargeras plan is actually something more like emerald dream : world with no titan work, very primitive

Sargeras wants to create a universe with true order. And Emerald Dream is blueprint set up by the titans.

[Deleted]

Sargeras wants to create a universe with true order. And Emerald Dream is blueprint set up by the titans.

For Azeroth, not the Universe. The Well of Eternity attracted the Burning Legion since it was so unique to Azeroth. Don't forget that the BL probably consumed lots of Titan ordered worlds already, with their own blue print versions.