collective conciousness

[the game]

Does a collective consciousness such as demonstrated by the Borg from star trek really have a clear advantage over individual thought? Which would you rather have?

[Deleted]

It's an interesting question as the possibility of "The Singularity" might make something like that possible for humanity somewhere down the line.

Whether it's desirable or not is unclear, because we don't really have a frame of reference for something like that.

I mean the closest we've come to that level of universal sharing is... Facebook.

[Underverse]

A bit risky. Variety protects against catastrophe.

[Yunru]

98% of it would be abauth sex and food .

Rest the other things. Unless humans were pure cyborgs.

Ants have hive mind, so you can get the idea how it works.

[Deleted]

It's an interesting question as the possibility of "The Singularity" might make something like that possible for humanity somewhere down the line.

Whether it's desirable or not is unclear, because we don't really have a frame of reference for something like that.

I mean the closest we've come to that level of universal sharing is... Facebook.

But facebook is more of a database everyone dumbs their thoughts in and a collective conciousness would mean that everyone thinks the same.

The advantage is that you can no longer hurt other people without reason and it's the end of selfish persons, still possible as a whole though that would go against aliens and stuff. The disadvantage is that you are no longer you, there is no "I" only "We".

A collective conciousness would mean the end of conflicts because we all are already in agreement. If that is worth giving up your individuality is something everyone has to decide for themselves which they couldn't do if the collective conciousness had already be established.

The advantage is that you can actually get shit done.
The disadvantage is that everyone has the same flaws when it comes down to it.

Allegedly nature prefers asymmetry.

[Deleted]

what if someone uses all my neurons for hes use only

[Dezerte]

Positive: Better cooperation, peace and ability to achieve greatness.
Negative: Risks stagnation and inability to think outside the box.

[Moralgy]

Everything would be awesome!

[zorkuus]

Innovation would stop.

[Jotaux]

I think we would lose our individuality. No hapiness, sadness, just existing really.

[Deleted]

kind of bad question since everybody here has a diferent interpretation of consciousness

[the game]

kind of bad question since everybody here has a diferent interpretation of consciousness

That's why I gave an example.

[Independent voter]

There's lots of crap in my head that people wouldn't want "collective".

[Noradin]

Does a collective consciousness such as demonstrated by the Borg from star trek really have a clear advantage over individual thought? Which would you rather have?

It is always a mixture of both and both extremes are disadvantageous.
(Yes, humans have something like collective consciousness, too, if rather limited. It is called society and works by using emphaty.)

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A collective conciousness would mean the end of conflicts because we all are already in agreement. If that is worth giving up your individuality is something everyone has to decide for themselves which they couldn't do if the collective conciousness had already be established.

This is untrue.
A conciousness can have internal conflics.
In fact unless it has a stric hierachy with a single spatially non-extended leader physics makes sure there are, because information transmission takes time.
The same physical principle would make such an hierachy incredibly slow to react to anything as soon as a certain extension was exceeded.

[primalmatter]

Does a collective consciousness such as demonstrated by the Borg from star trek really have a clear advantage over individual thought? Which would you rather have?

Do you honestly think being able to hear college kids thoughts would be a boom?

People are dumb as fuck we are screwed with a collective conscious.

[Deleted]

People are dumb as fuck we are screwed with a collective conscious.

Having humanity's minds merged into a collective consciousness would be a disaster. The handful of nobelists couldn't overcome the stupidity of billions.

Allowing brilliant individuals to flourish is the key to progress.

You can't really compare ants and humans; ants are simple bugs, humans are much more complex. Of course, if you are perfectly happy with living in a primitive hut made of shit, eating maggots and are ok with sitting confined to this planet until the Sun dies and takes all life with it, then you might be happy with a hive mind too.

[DocHibb]

I don't think I'd want that. I would like, however, to be able to access all of the world's information with my mind. Like an internet/database installed in my brain without having to have a computer or smartphone, etc.

Edit: I don't want to share the same thoughts and views as the hoi polloi. *fetches ladder to mount high horse* But, no, really, I want to be my own person, with the ability to know mankind's collective knowledge.

[Afrospinach]

Does a collective consciousness such as demonstrated by the Borg from star trek really have a clear advantage over individual thought? Which would you rather have?

How do you know we don't have some kind of collective conscienceless right now hmmmm?

[Noradin]

How do you know we don't have some kind of collective conscienceless right now hmmmm?

We do, it is called society.

[Damajin]

http://www.carl-jung.net/collective_unconscious.html

Jung concept of collective unconscious is based on his experiences with schizophrenic persons since he worked in the Burgholzli psychiatric hospital.

Though initially Jung followed the Freudian theory of unconscious as the psychic strata formed by repressed wishes, he later developed his own theory on the unconscious to include some new concepts. The most important of them is the archetype.

Archetypes constitute the structure of the collective unconscious - they are psychic innate dispositions to experience and represent basic human behavior and situations. Thus mother-child relationship is governed by the mother archetype. Father-child - by the father archetype. Birth, death, power and failure are controlled by archetypes. The religious and mystique experiences are also governed by archetypes.

The most important of all is the Self, which is the archetype of the Center of the psychic person, his/her totality or wholeness. The Center is made of the unity of conscious and unconscious reached through the individuation process.

Archetypes manifest themselves through archetypal images (in all the cultures and religious doctrines), in dreams and visions. Therefore a great deal of Jungian interest in psyche focuses on dreams and symbols interpretation in order to discover the compensation induced by archetypes as marks of psyche transformation.

The collective unconscious is an universal datum, that is, every human being is endowed with this psychic archetype-layer since his/her birth. One can not acquire this strata by education or other conscious effort because it is innate.

We may also describe it as a universal library of human knowledge, or the sage in man, the very transcendental wisdom that guides mankind.

Jung stated that the religious experience must be linked with the experience of the archetypes of the collective unconscious. Thus, God himself is lived like a psychic experience of the path that leads one to the realization of his/her psychic wholeness.