US ranked 9th in mass shootings? what?

[zenkai]

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On Tuesday, President Obama stunned Americans and French alike with his false claims about gun violence in America. "I say this every time we’ve got one of these mass shootings. This just doesn’t happen in other countries,” claimed Obama. It is a claim that he has continually repeated over the years.

Talk about being self-absorbed. The French have witnessed three mass public shootings this year. January saw two attacks, one on the Charlie Hebdo magazine and another on a Paris supermarket. In the November attacks, 129 people were killed and 352 were injured. In just 2015, France suffered more casualties – killings and injuries – from mass public shootings than the US has suffered during Obama’s entire presidency (508 to 424). This number includes the San Bernandino massacre on Wednesday.

Obama also overlooks Norway, where Anders Behring Breivik used a gun to kill 67 people and wound 110 others. Still others were killed by bombs that Breivik detonated. Of the four worst K-12 school shootings, three have occurred in Europe. Germany had two of these — one in 2002 at Erfut and another in 2009 at Winnenden, with a total death toll of 34.

Obama isn’t correct even if he meant the frequency of fatalities or attacks. Many European countries actually have higher rates of death from public shootings that resulted in four or more murders. It’s simply a matter of adjusting for America’s much larger population.

Let’s look at mass public shootings from 2009 to the middle of June this year. To compare fairly with American shootings, I excluded attacks that might be better classified as struggles over sovereignty. For instance, I did not count the 22 people killed in the Macedonian town of Kumanovo last month.

Norway had the highest annual death rate, with 2 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Macedonia had a rate of 0.38, Serbia 0.28, Slovakia 0.20, Finland 0.14, Belgium 0.14, and the Czech Republic 0.13. The US comes in No. 8 with 0.095 mass public shooting fatalities per million people. Austria and Switzerland are close behind.

In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people. Macedonia, Serbia, Switzerland, Norway, Slovakia, Finland, Belgium, and the Czech Republic all had higher rates.

There are two other studies on these questions that have gotten a fair amount of attention. One, by State University of New York-Oswego public justice professor Jaclyn Schildkraut and Texas State University researcher H. Jaymi Elsass, who look at shootings across countries, has left out a large number of shootings in other countries. Yet, despite the extensive news coverage their study has received, they miss a lot of cases. For example, in France, they miss three mass public shootings:

— Tours, France, October 29, 2001: four people were killed and 10 wounded when a French railway worker started killing people at a busy intersection in the city.

— Nanterre, France, March 27, 2002: a man kills eight city councilors after a city council meeting.

— Toulouse, France, March 19, 2012, Mohammed Merah killed four people (the killer also killed people in Montauban, France).

Other cases are missed in such countries as Austria, Belgium, Finland, Netherlands, Italy, Macedonia, Spain, Switzerland and Slovakia. It takes a lot of time and effort to find all the cases, but if you get all the attacks in the US and miss those in other countries, it makes the US look a lot worse.

Another by Lankford reportedly goes back to 1966, but while he shares his study with reporters, he requires that they don’t share it with researchers in the area and, despite the wide publicity given his findings, he has repeatedly turned down requests by myself to see his research.

The president’s statement was also limited in another sense. He was referring only to shootings in his statement, but bombs are frequently used elsewhere in the world. The Boston Marathon bombing was a rare exception these days in the United States. But countries such as Russia have frequently suffered bombings. Indeed, since 2009, the nation has seen 1.31 deaths per million from bombings that caused four or more fatalities.

Between 2007 and 2011, there was an average of 6,282 terrorist attacks per year outside of Iraq, Afghanistan and the U.S. On average, more than 27,000 people were killed, injured or kidnapped each year.

Obama keeps using these attacks to advocate requiring background checks on private transfers of guns. Such a requirement, however, already exists in France and almost all of Europe.

The background checks failed. So too did France and Belgium’s complete bans on the weapons used in those attacks. The terrorists who attacked those countries still got the weapons that they wanted.

Of the people stopped by background checks, nearly all are people who should have been allowed to buy guns. These delays may be mere inconveniences for most people, but they can endanger the lives of people who are being stalked and need immediate protection.

There is another common factor between mass public shootings. Virtually all of the attacks in America and Europe are taking place where general citizens can’t carry guns for protection. At some point, it has to become apparent to gun control advocates that gun-free zones only protect the killers.

Can Obama actually believe his claim that these attacks “just doesn’t happen in other countries”? More likely, Obama is willing to go to any extreme as he pushes for European-type gun control. The last thing he wants to admit is that countries with such strict gun-control laws can have so many deadly attacks.

How come it's only mass shootings in America that seems to be talked about?

[willtron]

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How come it's only mass shootings in America that seems to be talked about?

Because America has its gun law which many find controversial in an modern age.

Most of the mass media outlets are American.

[Deleted]

Merkel had 2 shootings in germany while being in office and she saw bush come and go...
you had two this week.

[Vago]

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How come it's only mass shootings in America that seems to be talked about?

Because as every lefty will tell you on these forums; "these acts only happen in American, no where else in the civilized world is there so much gun violence"

He, just like every life long politician, is pushing their political agenda.

[Malachi256]

Bashing the big guy is always popular.

Bashing the U.S. in particular has become pretty hip in the last decade, particularly by U.S. citizens.

[Imatapir]

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How come it's only mass shootings in America that seems to be talked about?

Considering your source isn't the most objective out there, I would take what they say with a grain of salt and look further at the whole picture before getting pissed at why America is in the spotlight.

[zenkai]

Considering your source isn't the most objective out there, I would take what they say with a grain of salt and look further at the whole picture before getting pissed at why America is in the spotlight.

I've actually been reading that statistic on other sites

[Detritivores]

fox news opinion piece /10.

I'm not sure what your point is though. We have a lot of mass shootings in America. Are you not interested in reducing them? Do we need ot be #1 or it isn't a problem?

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How come it's only mass shootings in America that seems to be talked about?

Because you live in the US? Our media hardly reports on shootings in the states, why would American media give a lot of focus to ones in Europe?

[Imatapir]

I've actually been reading that statistic on other sites

Doesn't actually makes them better-
It makes an amalgam of terrorism with the American Mass-shooting.
It also doesn't consider the geopolitical position in which Europe finds itself toward Terrorism (You're unlikely to have Canadians right wing extremist trying to stiffle you)
And also it takes an increasingly small time frame in order to restrain the magnitude of the problem in the US

[Breccia]

The very info you bolded shows the context is "per capita" not "total".

Oh, and because FOX-bashing is fun, I'll point out the counted only the number of attacks, not the number of dead people, in their claim of "ninth".

[Revi]

Between 1966 and 2012, there were 90 mass shootings in the United States. Mass shootings are defined for the study as having four or more victims and don't include gang killings or slayings that involve the death of multiple family members.

The 90 U.S. mass shootings are nearly a third of the 292 such attacks globally for that period. While the U.S. has 5% of the world's population, it had 31% of all public mass shootings.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/27/he...ass-shootings/

You should make a distinction between mass shootings and terrorist attacks, which most of these biased articles intentionally do not.

[Deleted]

Well...congrats to 9th place I guess ?

[Xires]

Because America has its gun law which many find controversial in an modern age.

Most of the mass media outlets are American.

Gun laws didn't help France or any other gun-free zone. Let me know when you hear of a NRA meeting getting shot up. Wasn't aware that letting your average citizen protect himself and his/her family from criminals was such "controversy". With the amount of people that own guns in the US...the way liberals talk their should statistically be hundreds or even thousands of shooting everyday but it just doesn't happen and MOST of those shootings are gang members and criminals so who cares?

[GennGreymane]

Smaller populations with singular attacks that are a bit larger

Norway's statistics likely changed drastically due to that one guy in Oslo. The U.S has a bunch of dumb fucks shooting up because reasons.

[Xires]

Because it is in the way you rank it: "In terms of the frequency of attacks, the United States ranks ninth, with 0.09 attacks per million people."

Now..if you rank it by "mass shootings per day" let us see the result. Oh..you win with more mass shootings than days in the year.
How come it's only mass shootings in America that seems to be talked about?

Because the world has a "hard on" for us. And because they want to disarm us like they did the Australians. They don't realize though that we have the 2nd amendment and nothing short of war will change that.

[Imatapir]

Gun laws didn't help France or any other gun-free zone. Let me know when you hear of a NRA meeting getting shot up. Wasn't aware that letting your average citizen protect himself and his/her family from criminals was such "controversy". With the amount of people that own guns in the US...the way liberals talk their should statistically be hundreds or even thousands of shooting everyday but it just doesn't happen and MOST of those shootings are gang members and criminals so who cares?

Having guns doesn't really help you prevent mass-shooting, so I'm not sure where you're trying to go with that

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Im sorry but data you are giving is wrong, its decieving. I cannot confirm the rates u gave but there is a massive difference between the atacks in USA and EU.

All of these massacres in EU are driven by hate to immigrants. Done either by the terrorists or the racisits. More or less it is all about hate between nations. In US it is some guy that hates other kids or job or boss or system. Or is simply totally crazy.

Correct me if I am wrong. It seems as if your atacks are not driven by nationalism but by stupidity.

[Deleted]

Well...congrats to 9th place I guess ?

Now I want to know the ranking of general primary education math skills the US has.

Smaller populations with singular attacks that are a bit larger

Norway's statistics likely changed drastically due to that one guy in Oslo. The U.S has a bunch of dumb fucks shooting up because reasons.

Breivik in the US takes 40 IQ points less to cause the same fatalities.

[Paranoid Android]

Graph and same numbers are that 166 total mass shootings occurred around the world. U.S. had a total of 133 of these shootings. The info posted uses the numbers of attacks per million people. So yeah, I guess you can SPIN numbers to the way you want.