A condundrum about abortion

[Underverse]

That's a baby, not a fetus.

Why exactly does this distinction matter, and what defines the difference?

[vindicatorx]

I never see people bitching about abortions in UK

Prolly because people there mind their own fucking business whereas here in the US everyone has their noses in everyone else's problems.

[Deleted]

That's a baby, not a fetus.

It's at the bridge between the two.

[ellieg]

I never see people bitching about abortions in UK

That's probably because UK is morally superior than the us or what ever else you were trying to insinuate.

[Puupi]

Aha? I still don't see what the problem is.

Do you have a problem with someone killing a 1 year old baby? What about 6 months? 3 months? Just born? Born a little early?

Why exactly does this distinction matter, and what defines the difference?

It's at the bridge between the two.

If it can survive outside womb, it's no longer a fetus.

[Deleted]

Do you have a problem with someone killing a 1 year old baby? What about 6 months? 3 months? Just born? Born a little early?

You're aware that I'm for free abortion, right?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Apparently our age starts at conception now rather than birth

I'm now 9 months older and my birthday is moved back to the day my parents go it on, hooray!

[Agnhar]

I wouldn't call it an abortion if said ''fetus'' is developed enough to survive outside the womb, that is just getting rid of a life.

[Underverse]

Do you have a problem with someone killing a 1 year old baby? What about 6 months? 3 months? Just born? Born a little early?




If it can survive outside womb, it's no longer a fetus.

I asked you why the distinction mattered.

I'm glad you answered my second question though, so now I have another question for you; does abortion suddenly become unconditionally immoral if we can sustain an embryo outside the body in a vat, assuming that the parents will still be required to take care of it and all other conditions apply?

[Puupi]

You're aware that I'm for free abortion, right?

So am I. But aborting a baby is completely different thing from aborting a fetus. If you don't understand the difference, go study.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Do you have a problem with someone killing a 1 year old baby? What about 6 months? 3 months? Just born? Born a little early?




If it can survive outside womb, it's no longer a fetus.

This baby was born more than "a little early".

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So am I. But aborting a baby is completely different thing from aborting a fetus. If you don't understand the difference, go study.

Most babies born 3 months early tend to not survive. It's a miracle this one did. May not survive another 3 months til when its actual birth date was going to be.

The only reason it came out early at all was the abortional procedure induced birth. If she had been successful the fetus would have been dead and it would have just been another home abortion.

The fucked up part is that now she's being charged for a crime since it survived.

[negawonka]

You're aware that I'm for free abortion, right?

Is that what free abortion means? Well the Romans did have a very seldom used law that at any time a father could take the life of their child (at least that is what my ol' Latin teacher told me) but I am not sure I can get on board with taking the life of something that calls me "papa".

But on a serious note, I think Puupi was saying what matters is that EVERYONE draws the line somewhere and that is the issue at hand. A person might not have an issue with ending a pregnancy after 16 weeks but have an issue with ending it at 24 weeks.

[Deleted]

So am I. But aborting a baby is completely different thing from aborting a fetus. If you don't understand the difference, go study.

You're clearly not if you want restrictions on it.

[Puupi]

I asked you why the distinction mattered.

I'm glad you answered my second question though, so now I have another question for you; does abortion suddenly become unconditionally immoral if we can sustain an embryo outside the body in a vat, assuming that the parents will still be required to take care of it and all other conditions apply?

Short answer: yes. Can't be arsed to do a long answer.

[Underverse]

Short answer: yes. Can't be arsed to do a long answer.

Okay, well my short reply then: you're wrong.

[Puupi]

You're clearly not if you want restrictions on it.

Free abortion = you can do it for whatever reasons you wish. It doesn't mean you can do it WHENEVER you wish.

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Okay, well my short reply then: you're wrong.

No I'm not.

[Deleted]

Free abortion = you can do it for whatever reasons you wish. It doesn't mean you can do it WHENEVER you wish.

No, that's abortion on demand/request, not free abortion.

[Agnhar]

No, that's abortion on demand/request, not free abortion.

It would be plain cold blooded murder if you abort a child 2 days before its born.

[negawonka]

No, that's abortion on demand/request, not free abortion.

So 1 year old is ok but http://southpark.cc.com/clips/150310...ned-parenthood wouldn't be? If you don't feel like watching the clip Cartman's mom tries to have her 8 year old son Cartman "aborted". Of course I never thought it would actually be relevant to anything but if 1 year olds are ok I just want to make sure I understand where the line is.

[Puupi]

No, that's abortion on demand/request, not free abortion.

It is free. Your definition is insane. Might as well call it free murder.