A little video for all the SJW's out there

[zorkuus]

"It doesn't matter to me, therefor it doesn't matter to anyone. And if I feel even the slightest pang of empathy, I can rest knowing it's just fraud."

This is the PC-HAS-RUN-AMOK ideology in all its solipsistic glory.

I'm sure it matters to them. Scientology also matters to some people, but it doesn't take more than two brain cells to point out why it doesn't make sense.

[anntheman]

I'm sure it matters to them. Scientology also matters to some people, but it doesn't take more than two brain cells to point out why it doesn't make sense.

Why doesn't scientology make sense?

[Powerogue]

I do not think people should be lawfully banned from offending anyone. At the same time, I do believe private companies should have the right to impose certain behavioral standards on their employees and consumers. When in League of Legends people get banned for continuous harassment of other players, it is not a violation of their freedom of speech, it is merely the company's decision to fight off hate speech.

Something like that. I've never had anything against how certain forums or games have rules and guidelines like that. It's a lot easier to avoid a forum that has oppressive rules than a public place, though, should this mindset be extended in that direction.

In general though, I'd rather have some people be sad then us just crush any worthwhile discussion on the off chance someone might become sad. On some level, and I don't know when this became an unpopular opinion, it's your fault when you get offended. Or a better way to phrase it, it's your fault what you do with that. In the same way someone could do something that makes me angry, but it's my action alone to choose to break their nose.

We've managed just fine here on these forums, most of the time. I've said a variety of things, some more against the norm or volatile than others, but unless it was clear that my only intention was to be an ass, and I was contributing nothing to the conversation, I haven't gotten infracted.

Why doesn't scientology make sense?

Any organization that demonizes getting psychiatric help probably doesn't gain followers by making sense. (Or generally being good for your mental health in any way, shape, or form)

[Raxis]

I just am sadden that other peoples right not to be upset has impacted upon my right to speak my mind. But the privilege of this "right to not be upset" is only extend to certain sexes and races.

That's what bugs me about the whole SJW thing...I cannot stand blatant hypocrisy and their movement is chocked full of it.

[anntheman]

Any organization that demonizes getting psychiatric help probably doesn't gain followers by making sense. (Or generally being good for your mental health in any way, shape, or form)

It wasn't your argument--I'm not asking you to defend it. The group will not allow others to freely express their thoughts and are thus being anti-intellectuals--that's the whole thing against SJW's, right?

[Surfd]

This "trivial shit" ruins more lives than they realize. People say, "grow a thicker skin". It is not something one does by will. There is no point in this "trivial shit" existing; someone telling me I am an asshole does not produce anything positive with their words. Huge piles of this "trivial shit" together make the society toxic and poisonous.

Or maybe you are just an asshole, and refuse to admit it, so instead decide to go around tearing down anyone who disagrees with you.

Hate to break it to you, but sometimes people need to be told something they dont like, or introduced to an opinion that they dont share. This does not give them the right to flat out attempt to silence those things because they are "offended" by them.

[May90]

Something like that. I've never had anything against how certain forums or games have rules and guidelines like that. It's a lot easier to avoid a forum that has oppressive rules than a public place, though, should this mindset be extended in that direction.

In general though, I'd rather have some people be sad then us just crush any worthwhile discussion on the off chance someone might become sad. On some level, and I don't know when this became an unpopular opinion, it's your fault when you get offended. Or a better way to phrase it, it's your fault what you do with that. In the same way someone could do something that makes me angry, but it's my action alone to choose to break their nose.

We've managed just fine here on these forums, most of the time. I've said a variety of things, some more against the norm or volatile than others, but unless it was clear that my only intention was to be an ass, and I was contributing nothing to the conversation, I haven't gotten infracted.



Any organization that demonizes getting psychiatric help probably doesn't gain followers by making sense. (Or generally being good for your mental health in any way, shape, or form)

Again, this comes down to our world not being perfect. In a perfect world, people would never get really offended, they would just brush off insults and such without a second thought. In a real world however, there is a lot of overly sensitive people, there is a lot of people that have been victims of severe bullying and developed a phobia towards bullying... I think we should respect those people and try to minimize the damage. A bully trashtalking does not benefit anyone or anything, while a potentially productive member of society injured by such a behavior might become much less productive. For example, almost all those mass shooters were ostracized by the society to the point of becoming enraged and going for rampage. Many people live broken lives, because they couldn't handle the pressure at some point. Rather than saying, "It is their problem that they didn't deal with it", I would prefer the government supporting them, instead of respecting freedom of bullies to do what they do.

Or maybe you are just an asshole, and refuse to admit it, so instead decide to go around tearing down anyone who disagrees with you.

Hate to break it to you, but sometimes people need to be told something they dont like, or introduced to an opinion that they dont share. This does not give them the right to flat out attempt to silence those things because they are "offended" by them.

Err... where did that come from? I have no problem with people disagreeing with me, I like interesting debates, even if I lose them in the end. But when someone is telling me, "You are an asshole", it is not "disagreeing" with me, it is just being a jerk, trying to make me feel worse. Why should I respect the person's right to do such a thing?

[Slybak]

I just am sadden that other peoples right not to be upset has impacted upon my right to speak my mind. But the privilege of this "right to not be upset" is only extend to certain sexes and races.

That's what bugs me about the whole SJW thing...I cannot stand blatant hypocrisy and their movement is chocked full of it.

Christ, you sound like Bill Maher, who acts like Amnesty International should be called in everytime someone doesn't laugh at one of his tediously sexist or racist jokes.

You have the right to say whatever you want. You do not have the right to evade any criticism or other forms of social accountability for what you say. No one does. You are not entitled to my agreement, assent, or applause. That is mine alone to give or withhold solely at my own discretion. And if I decide that I dislike what you say to the extent that I'm unwilling to buy shit from the company you work for or otherwise refrain from participating in any institution that decides to associate with you, and said company/institution decides that my patronage is worth more to them than your employment or continued association, then welcome to consumer capitalism, comrade. It's the market in action.

And what drives all this "GRRRR SJWS" is that the very people who have been excluded from participating in the various structures of consumer capitalism are now using those same structures to equal the playing field. It's because you would rather destroy democracy than share it on an equal playing field with someone else of, to use your words, "certain sexes and races."

[Deleted]

SJW hate has become so trendy on social media it's become more annoying than SJW's.

Also the arguments are just as bad.

How? How has it become more annoying than shrill authoritarians afraid of logical discourse?

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And what drives all this "GRRRR SJWS" is that the very people who have been excluded from participating in the various structures of consumer capitalism are now using those same structures to equal the playing field. It's because you would rather destroy democracy than share it on an equal playing field with someone else of, to use your words, "certain sexes and races."

So everyone who hates the blatant censorship and hatemongering is in fact a racist?

[Slybak]

So everyone who hates the blatant censorship and hatemongering is in fact a racist?

Not agreeing with someone does not constitute censorship. Censorship deprives the speaker's of the ability to say what they wish and the listener's ability to respond to it in the manner that they wish. Until now, only those in positions of power and privilege could do both. That's what is so upsetting to contemporary reactionaries, who piss and moan all day and night that, for once, the dis-empowered can bite back, and those reactionaries will invent all manner of pseudo-intellectual bullshit to justify propping up the old order that is crumbling around them. It is entitlement, plain and simple.

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Oh, and..

50 bitcoins says this guy is a libertarian. Libertarians positively adore this kind of crypto-conservative nonsense.

"O'Neill has described himself as 'an atheistic libertarian'."

I should have been a bit more bold and went with my gut prediction about his atheism, but still, can I call them or can I call them? And its absolutely no goddamn surprise that he used to be a member of the Revolutionary Communist Brocialist Party, either.

[PC2]

Censorship deprives the speaker's of the ability to say what they wish and the listener's ability to respond to it in the manner that they wish.

Which is a problem for the PC crowd who push the idea that anything they deem offensive shouldn't just be opposed, but it has to be silenced.

[Rukh]

Which is a problem for the PC crowd who push the idea that anything they deem offensive shouldn't just be opposed, but it has to be silenced.

Who is calling for dissenting opinions to be silenced?

[zorkuus]

Who is calling for dissenting opinions to be silenced?

Those recent campus protests for example. They were trying to prevent reporters from exercising their rights.

[anntheman]

Who is calling for dissenting opinions to be silenced?

There is a widely unpopular video from that debate that has a man arguing something along the lines of that. Essentially things like racism are not things that there will be an intellectual response. I very much agree.

[Rukh]

Those recent campus protests for example. They were trying to prevent reporters from exercising their rights.

Do you have an example or a link?

[PC2]

Who is calling for dissenting opinions to be silenced?

Nobody in this thread so far, good job! If you go back to the first Paris attacks thread, there was people crying out for mods to silence people, due to criticism of Islam and immigration policy. Also university leftists have been pretty despicable in the recent times in terms of trying to get speakers they didn't like canceled.

[Seezer]

I don't hide it from my numerous posts on these forums, I hate anything PC and all the SJW's that it has bred especially with how mainstream Social Media has become...

By no means does it mean I advocate being offensive for the sake of it, but I do NOT believe in silencing individuals.

Nonetheless I'd like to present to you SJW's this video of a speech by Brendan O'Neill (who is a journalist) whom makes very good points and how condescending SJWs are in making the people they 'defend' to be so fragile...

People that label others as SJW's are SJW's themselves. They're just on the other side of the social issue. And let's not make any mistake. Many of the "Anti-PC" people are fragile and super sensitive people that get offended when they encounter something they don't like.

People better grow up. And realize that they're creating problems that aren't there. That is a huge thing in the US right now. People being drama queens. And people looking for ways to separate themselves from each other. People need to wake up. Because being divided is only harming the country.

[PC2]

Do you have an example or a link?

Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Bill Maher have both been targeted by university leftists trying to get them disinvited. Protestors have every right to complain, but using your right to try to prevent other people from even arriving is extremely shitty.

[Stormspellz]

SJW hate has become so trendy on social media it's become more annoying than SJW's.

Also the arguments are just as bad.

as the first response, its the only one that its needed.

[Seezer]

Nobody in this thread so far, good job! If you go back to the first Paris attacks thread, there was people crying out for mods to silence people, due to criticism of Islam and immigration policy. Also university leftists have been pretty despicable in the recent times in terms of trying to get speakers they didn't like canceled.

Go find some posts stating this. I want to see the reality. Because nobody here is against being critical. But people tuck and hide being "Criticism" when they're just being stereotypical and hateful.