Sanders campaign sues DNC amid data breach scandal

[Fugus]

Let's be clear. I'm not suggesting Sanders personally ordered or was aware of wrongdoing. It's not a reflection on his personal track record.

Indeed. Why would Udetsky do all this stuff and then turn himself in?
Because he didn't. The other members of the Sanders campaign turned him in when they found out what he'd done. It's also why he got fired so quickly.

My beef with the Sanders campaign isn't that their staff members acted inappropriately/criminally. I think they actually handled that well with the quick firing.

My problem with it is that instead of issuing a mea culpa and just owning up to it, pledging to work with the DNC to get to the bottom of it and purge any misbegotten data, the Sanders campaign cynically turned it into a deflection and a fundraiser based on their own campaign's misdeeds. "Look, look, another example of us being repressed!" Just gross.

It doesn't matter the election cycle... The youth vote is naive and easily manipulated. Here's the Sanders campaign exploiting that to the fullest.

Given the over reaction of the DNC over the issue given the circumstances, I honestly would have a hard time not thinking the DNC are attempting to play favorites.

And it isn't even a case of them exploiting it to its fullest, it is a case that given the over reaction they got for turning them in, the DNC was effectively trying to hobble his campaign more than they already have tried to.

Edit: AFK

[TrumpIsPresident]

Yes once again right wingers frothing at the mouth before any kind of investigation has taken place to further their agenda.

Yea, uh, I'm actually not a "right winger".

You just assume that, and make dozens of other assumptions, because I criticize people who you would never dare to.

I'm not a member of "Team R" nor am I a member of "Team D".

When you get a few more years under your belt you'll likely drop the pointless political pack mentality that is so detrimental to the judgement of many youths.

The rest of your post, being dismissive and borderline insulting, is evidence of this and thus it is not worth responding to.

It's just as easy to respond with:

That's because so much of Gov, like Clinton, is bought and payed for by so much money in politics. That won't change Rep or Dem when income inequality is worse than its ever been, and projected to continue to get worse. Sanders wants to put the power back in the hands of the American public by doing something about the inequality.

I understand...kinda...what you are trying to say. But if it's really about how much of government is bought and paid for by corps, the argument of more or less government is moot; they will make sure it works for them either way. (and historically big businesses much prefer small government)

Yes people have all but lost control of their own government and of course as long as money runs politics the people with money will run politics.

But, as we can see with Hillary's ownership of the DNC and all its interests, corporate money and the influence of wealth is not the prime threat.

The prime threat is tyranny.

Money might have brought the likes of Obama and Hillary to power but their tyrannical nature, and the tyrannical nature of their ilk, set them upon the path to build and reinforce a structure that lets the next of their kind into power.

I don't think a little wealth normalization is the cure.

People will need to be properly educated in the history of tyranny and that is something that is just not being taught in schools right now.

Either way good response.

[DeltrusDisc]

Apparently it's already been turned around because of the insane backlash that happened so rapidly! GET SOME DNC.

http://usuncut.com/politics/breaking...ders-campaign/

[Theodarzna]

The Hillary team is desperate to get rid of Sanders. After all, this wouldn't be the first time an unlikely but determined candidates undid her. Though she has the advantage of Obama's failures making Bernie have to work much harder to prove he is the real deal.

She is well aware she has no genuine base, just like last time. A defeat again is not something she is prepared to tolerate.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Yea, uh, I'm actually not a "right winger".

You just assume that, and make dozens of other assumptions, because I criticize people who you would never dare to.

I'm not a member of "Team R" nor am I a member of "Team D".

When you get a few more years under your belt you'll likely drop the pointless political pack mentality that is so detrimental to the judgement of many youths.

The rest of your post, being dismissive and borderline insulting, is evidence of this and thus it is not worth responding to.

It doesn't matter if you are a right winger or simply don't own up to it, my point remains regardless and that is this incident hasn't even been investigated yet officially, and already you jumped on it with an agenda.

As for the rest of my post you won't respond to, that has more to do with you inability to spin your theory crafting as anything other than theory crafting. Just because those with money and influence participate in our political system, that doesn't mean their motives are sinister just because they could be.


And there is nothing stopping people from setting aside their differences, and doing the same thing to work for a better representative government, but then again I guess it's better to sit around and make up bullshit about why the mainstream media, Obama or politicians are to blame for everything going wrong in a persons life.

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The Hillary team is desperate to get rid of Sanders. After all, this wouldn't be the first time an unlikely but determined candidates undid her. Though she has the advantage of Obama's failures making Bernie have to work much harder to prove he is the real deal.

She is well aware she has no genuine base, just like last time. A defeat again is not something she is prepared to tolerate.

Obama's failures in that he kept the economy from collapsing, got us out of two wars that the Republicans want to go right back into, got Unemployment to 5%, as for Hillary, she doesn't need to get rid of Bernie, he will rise and fall on his own.

[Theodarzna]

Obama's failures in that he kept the economy from collapsing, got us out of two wars that the Republicans want to go right back into, got Unemployment to 5%, as for Hillary, she doesn't need to get rid of Bernie, he will rise and fall on his own.

Obama kow towed to the banks, to big business, signed a CISA bill, never ended the war in Afghanistan, never closed GITMO, continues radical police state surveillance and passed a lack luster health care bill with no public national health service option.

Let us also not forget TPP, the ultimate slayer of america's already sucked dry Labor.

Obama has been a wicked and pernicious president, like so many before him.

Then again I place a premium on courage. I respect say Carter for having the nuts to tell Americans in much nicer words that they were fat, lazy, consumer driven shits who were too wasteful and needed to change..... they crucified the poor man but he had the nuts to say it.

[Deathcries]

Please go independent, Sanders! That would make my day!

[Beet]

Bernie really should run independent. It's time for a change.

If you want the republicans to win thatd do it. No Independant is gonna win in this age. It just won't happen. If Bernie runs Independant then the GOP wins as dems will have their vote split. Just like if Donald ends up running as Independant when he loses the nomination, then Hillary will win. All Independant runs do is cost the party the Independant is closest with to lose.

I really don't know why Bernie is still running in all honesty. He isn't going to beat Hilary. It just won't happen. There won't be another upset like with Obama coming out of no where in 08. Bernie alienated half the Democratic Party just by saying he's a democratic socialist.

[Theodarzna]

If you want the republicans to win thatd do it. No Independant is gonna win in this age. It just won't happen. If Bernie runs Independant then the GOP wins as dems will have their vote split. Just like if Donald ends up running as Independant when he loses the nomination, then Hillary will win. All Independant runs do is cost the party the Independant is closest with to lose.

I really don't know why Bernie is still running in all honesty. He isn't going to beat Hilary. It just won't happen. There won't be another upset like with Obama coming out of no where in 08. Bernie alienated half the Democratic Party just by saying he's a democratic socialist.

Honestly the American Electoral system has to change at some point. It's hardly serving any sort of democratic representation.

[Doctor Amadeus]

Obama kow towed to the banks, to big business, signed a CISA bill, never ended the war in Afghanistan, never closed GITMO, continues radical police state surveillance and passed a lack luster health care bill with no public national health service option.

Let us also not forget TPP, the ultimate slayer of america's already sucked dry Labor.

Obama has been a wicked and pernicious president, like so many before him.

Can you elaborate how towed to the banks and big business, both of whom have had a strangle hold on the economy and out politics for some time, what exactly is or was Obama supposed to do about a situation that is well beyond his office?

Banks and Business are legally recognized as and entities that have the right to access our government even if that is at the dismay of those that may not agree.


As for Afghanistan and Iraq, while their might be some boots on the ground, any kind of military offensive on the U.S part has ended. GITMO is something I agree he failed to close, but there are real reasons that did happen.

As for the TPP, that was an economic move that allowed for the U.S to continue with our economic influence.


As for Obama compared to any before him he is one of the only few who actually DID something and stuck up for those with less, who were constantly being taken by those with More, the only problem is he is one man, and as much as the right complains about the left, The money and influence has a hell of a lot to do with Obama going that road alone even among Democrats.


Bottom line is, Republicans go after Obama for not being Liberal and Conservative enough, all out of this disingenuous desperate need to attack him.

Obama is a Great President, and probably one of the last.

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If you want the republicans to win thatd do it. No Independant is gonna win in this age. It just won't happen. If Bernie runs Independant then the GOP wins as dems will have their vote split. Just like if Donald ends up running as Independant when he loses the nomination, then Hillary will win. All Independant runs do is cost the party the Independant is closest with to lose.

I really don't know why Bernie is still running in all honesty. He isn't going to beat Hilary. It just won't happen. There won't be another upset like with Obama coming out of no where in 08. Bernie alienated half the Democratic Party just by saying he's a democratic socialist.

No Sanders won't win for the same Reason Ron Paul didn't win, it's because the people saying they support him wont get off their ass and campaign for him, as the better candidate, rather than complaining at what a bitch Hillary is.

[Theodarzna]

Can you elaborate how towed to the banks and big business, both of whom have had a strangle hold on the economy and out politics for some time, what exactly is or was Obama supposed to do about a situation that is well beyond his office?

Banks and Business are legally recognized as and entities that have the right to access our government even if that is at the dismay of those that may not agree.


As for Afghanistan and Iraq, while their might be some boots on the ground, any kind of military offensive on the U.S part has ended. GITMO is something I agree he failed to close, but there are real reasons that did happen.

As for the TPP, that was an economic move that allowed for the U.S to continue with our economic influence.


As for Obama compared to any before him he is one of the only few who actually DID something and stuck up for those with less, who were constantly being taken by those with More, the only problem is he is one man, and as much as the right complains about the left, The money and influence has a hell of a lot to do with Obama going that road alone even among Democrats.


Bottom line is, Republicans go after Obama for not being Liberal and Conservative enough, all out of this disingenuous desperate need to attack him.

Obama is a Great President, and probably one of the last.

In Obama's defense he basically promised more than he could ever deliver, which will likely tarnish his future legacy for a generation.

TPP will crush labor and strangle culture in the vice grip of near ever present copyright law.

I get it, he is the first black president, and a lot of racism went his way and you want to defend him. But his victimization by racism doesn't counterman his failures to deliver what he promised. I take a poor and grim view on those who make promises they can't keep.

[Doctor Amadeus]

In Obama's defense he basically promised more than he could ever deliver, which will likely tarnish his future legacy for a generation.

TPP will crush labor and strangle culture in the vice grip of near ever present copyright law.

I get it, he is the first black president, and a lot of racism went his way and you want to defend him. But his victimization by racism doesn't counterman his failures to deliver what he promised. I take a poor and grim view on those who make promises they can't keep.

I will agree he Obama made some promises he couldn't keep, but I would say more than anything, he simply was expected to do so much more than he actually accomplished.

TPP will keep the U.S Economy competitive in a very fast growing economic part of the world. But yes, like with EVERYTHING in the world when you deal with others, there is always going to be a price for the things we want, or even exchange. Yes TPP might cost some jobs, but it also puts sanctions forward that make better working conditions for those in many of the countries, where factories are built, because part of cutting cost is slave like inhuman working conditions.

As for the racism that was directed at Obama, I don't think it was MORE significant than what got him elected, twice, which has zero to do with his skin, but the problem is racism IS a factor, and while it might not be an outweighing factor, it still had an impact.

[Theodarzna]

I will agree he Obama made some promises he couldn't keep, but I would say more than anything, he simply was expected to do so much more than he actually accomplished.

TPP will keep the U.S Economy competitive in a very fast growing economic part of the world. But yes, like with EVERYTHING in the world when you deal with others, there is always going to be a price for the things we want, or even exchange. Yes TPP might cost some jobs, but it also puts sanctions forward that make better working conditions for those in many of the countries, where factories are built, because part of cutting cost is slave like inhuman working conditions.

As for the racism that was directed at Obama, I don't think it was MORE significant than what got him elected, twice, which has zero to do with his skin, but the problem is racism IS a factor, and while it might not be an outweighing factor, it still had an impact.

The TPP is only good for big business and the elite families, of which Obama is one.

- Offshore good-paying jobs to low-wage nations and undercut working conditions globally and further reducing wages in the United States

- Create new tools for attacking environmental, health, labor and consumer safety standards

- Expand the deregulation of banks, hedge funds and insurance companies

- Further concentrate global food supplies, displacing family farmers and subjecting consumers to wild price fluctuations

- Institute longer patents that restrict access to affordable, generic medications

TPP is a disaster.

[Vyxn]

And the latest is

Clinton Campaign Calls for Independent Review of Sanders Camp’s ‘Egregious Breach’
http://www.mediaite.com/online/clint...egious-breach/

But when republicans demand an independent review of any of her wrong doings it is a right wring conspiracy witch hunt that its only purpose is to smear her

[Ausr]

And the latest is

Clinton Campaign Calls for Independent Review of Sanders Camp’s ‘Egregious Breach’
http://www.mediaite.com/online/clint...egious-breach/

But when republicans demand an independent review of any of her wrong doings it is a right wring conspiracy witch hunt that its only purpose is to smear her

Because they found nothing wrong with her stuff.

I'm sorry your conspiracy theories and laughable "she did something wrong despite my own party's claim of her of finding nothing!!11" aren't working out, bud.

[Wells]

And the latest is

Clinton Campaign Calls for Independent Review of Sanders Camp’s ‘Egregious Breach’
http://www.mediaite.com/online/clint...egious-breach/

But when republicans demand an independent review of any of her wrong doings it is a right wring conspiracy witch hunt that its only purpose is to smear her

If you want to talk about Benghazi or her emails again make a thread we can ignore.

[Lamortykins]

Democrats need their Ross Perot. Sanders needs to be it.

Democrats need someone to screw them out of an election? The country needs a president elect with a plurality, but no majority?

[Tierbook]

Democrats need someone to screw them out of an election? The country needs a president elect with a plurality, but no majority?

Can't stump the Trump