Would You Rather Have Been Born As A Member Of The Opposite Sex?

[apepi]

Spoilers again because I also don't want every topic that ever even dips it's toe into anything contentious off-topic to be locked.

See I don't agree with that argument because of two main reasons, number one genes are entirely invisible in everyday life and there is the existence of individuals who are undeniably women naturally with XY chromosomes (Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome). To me to take that hard line approach has little value when there are people who don't fit into it in nature. And while 1/20000 is rare that still means 350,000 women aren't considered women by that classification system.

But as a transperson, I wouldn't be happy just with "cross dressing" whether or not it's all in my head I just can't handle just that. It's a pervasive feeling that I should be different and it eats at me every day. I can't go a night without finding myself in deep discomfort with my body, and it's not primarily social. It's like every single action I do is slightly degraded like I'm perpetually sleep deprived. I see myself in the mirror and feel that on some level it's not really me looking back, that it's wrong and it makes me sad. It's not just wanting to do traditionally girly things, hell there are transwomen who are super butch and there are transmen who are super feminine, it can't just be summed up as wanting more freedom from gender roles (though I imagine that's part of it)

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To be fair 5 years is likely very optimistic, but I'd say it's extremely likely to be accessible within the next 50.

Honestly, I am not sure if I will ever be able to understand the subject or not. But not being happy/accepting of your body is a completely human thing, I feel like we all have it one way or another.

This is somewhat relevant to what you guys are talking about.

[Moralgy]

Honestly, I am not sure if I will ever be able to understand the subject or not. But not being happy/accepting of your body is a completely human thing, I feel like we all have it one way or another.

This is one of the few situations where I will say "you will never understand unless it was happening to you". I don't really understand much about it and I've gone through it. The most I ever ask of people is don't be a dick about it.

[May90]

Yea, but it did teach me how many family members had fake "love" for me. I at least had a few that remained, but I know stories can be found, even today, of families getting just as pissy about marrying someone that isn't the same color as you. it is changing though, slowly but steadily the stupid ideas that any of those letters are "perverts", "mentally unstable", ect are going away and families are becoming more accepting. LGBT hate will probably vanish fairly soon in the US, 2-3 decades or so( or few centuries for a few states)

Basically people can suck in general!

Honestly, I've been thinking of such a test for my "open minded" parents. To call them on Skype and say that I am marrying a transgender person. Just to see how they would react. My assumption is my father would be upset, but he would not openly say anything harsh. My mother though probably would think I am insane, and might even cut off all ties with me. Then I would tell them that I wasn't serious... Maybe it would make them rethink their attitude?

But yes, I agree, it is becoming more and more accepted by the society. At the very least, gays and lesbians do not seem to be discriminated harshly nowadays, so we are getting there, slowly but steadily.

[apepi]

Honestly, I've been thinking of such a test for my "open minded" parents. To call them on Skype and say that I am marrying a transgender person. Just to see how they would react. My assumption is my father would be upset, but he would not openly say anything harsh. My mother though probably would think I am insane, and might even cut off all ties with me. Then I would tell them that I wasn't serious... Maybe it would make them rethink their attitude?

But yes, I agree, it is becoming more and more accepted by the society. At the very least, gays and lesbians do not seem to be discriminated harshly nowadays, so we are getting there, slowly but steadily.

Please don't screw people like this. You might just piss them off and get them not to like you even more.

[Radaney]

But yes, I agree, it is becoming more and more accepted by the society. At the very least, gays and lesbians do not seem to be discriminated harshly nowadays, so we are getting there, slowly but steadily.

Almost exclusively a western world thing. I'm sure there's plenty of stoning and killings going on elsewhere unfortunately.

[Notshauna]

Honestly, I am not sure if I will ever be able to understand the subject or not. But not being happy/accepting of your body is a completely human thing, I feel like we all have it one way or another.

This is somewhat relevant to what you guys are talking about.

Don't feel bad, we don't even understand usually. Hell honestly I'm pretty knowledgable on the subject matter and it's a lot like early greek and roman science. It's not exactly guess work, but the data isn't there yet so it's not really possible to make definitive conclusions. But, yeah a lot of people equate it to losing a limb or something like that, others compare it to having to act exclusively with their non-dominant hand etc. Some people might get pissed off but I think the reasonable people understand how strange this is for other people and attempt to be patient. I don't really have a problem with someone unless they're being a dick.

[Moralgy]

Some people might get pissed off but I think the reasonable people understand how strange and odd this is for other people, and attempt to be patient. I don't really have a problem with someone unless they're being a dick.

I like you *high five* Lots of awkward conversations with people, but as long as they aren't dicks I can deal with all of the microaggressions people say. It all just comes from being told bad information over the years really.

I like that word, it's a funny word.

[mytheiya]

Men need to or should do their hair. Less is easier ofc. You have to shave face every day or twice. You still don't want a bush as a guy

OK so your right men should take care of their hair, I just think its expected for women to use products more than not while men can just brush theirs. Men can choose to not shave their face and keep a beard, even in most jobs, if a woman goes without shaving her leg/arm pits in western culture the reaction is way different! Although society has recently turned to manscaping as more the norm, I bet that 90% of women still prefer men to have a little hair down there verses the 80% of men who prefer women to shave theirs bald.

but you would if you were a male!

let me rephrase, I don't like receiving anal, and I can't fathom giving oral to a woman, so being a gay male/female is out, and as a straight male I would have a very sad female partner.

First of all men have a menses with testosterone spikes. So let's see that equates to your mood swings and balls being external pose a danger that ovaries do not with all of the same potential issues that ovaries have. About the only thing that doesn't equate is the equal shedding of the endometrium.

testosterone spikes happen way less than mood swings caused by your monthly period and dont' forget while your pregnant and the two years after while your body readjusts after a pregnancy. ovaries are actually more of a pain in the ass than testicles. testicles you can tell if their are problems by lookin...its swollen, its a different color, it hurts...somethings wrong go to the uriologist. With ovaries only intense pain clues you into anything going on in there...I had a cyst as big as a cantelope on my right ovary..had no idea it was there, Onocologist said it was probally 10 to 12 years old..I was lucky it wasn't cancer, but that isn't always the casew, and I had anual pap smears and pelvic exams that didn't catch it, it was only when I got pregnant and had a sonogram done we knew it was there.

And of course the higher wages lie. Show me men in your exact job with the same qualifications that make more than you who work the same hours as you do. I'll wait.

actually I'm a stay at home mom, so I make nothing..a male in my work would do the same.

There is no wage gap. It's been debunked. If anything there are in fact jobs that women are paid more than males and that's in the sex industry. It's an indisputable fact that women porn stars are paid more at entry level than males.

yes there are jobs women are paid higher wages than men, however more jobs pay men more than females, its unfortunate but true.

[May90]

Please don't screw people like this. You might just piss them off and get them not to like you even more.

I don't know... If my parents have a problem with my date to the point of being pissed off, then I'm not sure if I want to be in good relations with them. I think, at least, my dad would be fine with it, after some time, at least, and my mom too.

But I was just playing around... Not going to perform such a test.

Almost exclusively a western world thing. I'm sure there's plenty of stoning and killings going on elsewhere unfortunately.

True and true. Somewhere in Africa, or in Russia, or, even worse, in the Middle East the discrimination must be truly horrible.

But over time, I think, they will also start being more accepting.

[apepi]

I don't know... If my parents have a problem with my date to the point of being pissed off, then I'm not sure if I want to be in good relations with them. I think, at least, my dad would be fine with it, after some time, at least, and my mom too.

But I was just playing around... Not going to perform such a test.

If you actually find someone, sure go ahead. But don't create an imaginary one to just see if they would agree with it or not. If you are really curious, just tell them how you actually are.

[Simulacrum]

Sorry for the late reply, 'tis the season to be AFK.

You are lucky, your mind and body match. Now imagine waking up as a woman one day. You are still you, but now your body isn't you. You say it would be amazing, but it's not. You go through life not being able to relate to your mirror image, you die a little every time you hear someone use a Pronoun that doesn't match your heart.

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I think you misunderstand me. I am utterly convinced that this happening would not bother me in the slightest. At least not for the reasons that it bothers you.

My image of myself is not attached to my physical body, or at least not any particular physical body. It's even hard to consider the brain a part of myself at times. It's obvious that the part of it that is in charge of typing this out right now is not in control of many other parts of the brain. So who, or what, is really in charge in here? What part of my physical body is actually "me"?

Eh, I suppose it doesn't matter. Can't do anything about it anyway.

Wonder what'll happen if and when people gain the ability to do something about it, though. My guess is that things will get really out of control really fast.

Because any type of dominance is favorable.

I assume "dominance" here means "males outnumber females", not "males have power over females". What power would males have over females on the internet? The ability to send aggressive pictures of their bathing suit-area? Even there I'm pretty sure boobs trump dicks online.

[Deleted]

I would readily switch into being a white woman in the West were that possible as this is by far the most privileged social class in our times. Being female simply opens up more freedoms than being male -- you can still aim high in your career, and, if that fails or if you find the working life to be miserable, you can simply marry someone, have kids, and then sit at home doing the things you want to do instead of working your ass off in a cutthroat corporate world.

If you're a man the only option you have is to succeed or you're homeless.

[RenegadeXan]

Eww, you're creeping on 15-18 year old little boys?

i dont, but it is just part of the maturation cycle and it is a big target of the survey.