[Megathread] Bernie Sanders 2016

[McFuu]

Hillary was the favorite in 2008, but Obama came from behind and squeaked out the nomination. It can be done. That Bernie could not just reiterates what a crappy candidate he was.

Hell in 08 it was her year to win. She didn't have any stink on her from scandals. The only thing she had going against her was she was Bill Clinton's wife at that point. Now she is Secretary of State Clinton, etc... She has other political credentials.

Bernie not running stronger against someone who is under election and many people want her indicted is pretty bad.

Her flip flopping on long standing issues for her in the beginning of the expansion should have put an axe in her. But really it just shows people don't want what Bernie is selling.

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Which is why the Sandman is still snoozing it up in loserville. Because studies and polls.

Yeah science and the critical process just totally suck, dude. Go find your friend Beavis.

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Bernie not running stronger against someone who is under election and many people want her indicted is pretty bad.

Yeah genius, a sepatagenerian socialist polling 15 times as strongly as any socialist has ever done and actually topping the presidential polls, fighting billions of dollars of wall st money against a former secretary of state and wife of a president, with individual $10 donations from the public, is "pretty bad". That's an amazing redefinition of "pretty bad".

[Matchles]

You employ advisers with expertise in an area who aren't on the corporate payroll. Like the fire service and the military.

Wait? Have you looked at the military budget? You think they don't have any interest in how money is spent in government?

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Hey, nice hat!

Yeah. And the choice of going to Fox News had NO agenda behind it. There were 28 debates in 2008 between Obama and Clinton. How many on Fox News? 1.2.3....ZERO. They are a propaganda wing for the right. You don't let them control a debate. Unless of course you are losing by a historic margin and are hoping they will throw every dirty trick in the book at your opponent.

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Wait? Have you looked at the military budget? You think they don't have any interest in how money is spent in government?

The issue is not whether the US military is dysfunctional (it is). It is whether it would be better or worse given over to Blackwater. Most sane people of whatever poltical hue would consider that to be worse.

[Wulfey]

Wait? Have you looked at the military budget? You think they don't have any interest in how money is spent in government?

Moreover, how would you square lobbying bans with the 1st amendment? The whole point is that you are supposed to be able to complain to your representatives. That lobbyists do your complaining in return for money is not a distinction when it comes to the 1st amendment. We should want our representatives to reflect the interests of the people (even special interests!).

[McFuu]

Yeah science and the critical process just totally suck, dude. Go find your friend Beavis.

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Yeah genius, a sepatagenerian socialist polling 15 times as strongly as any socialist has ever done and actually topping the presidential polls, fighting billions of dollars of wall st money against a former secretary of state and wife of a president, with individual $10 donations from the public, is "pretty bad". That's an amazing redefinition of "pretty bad".

A vocal minority doesn't speak for the majority. He is running against Clinton who barely has supporters, just Democratic retread voters. And here you have a 224 page thread just for Sanders. It's speaks volumes of his popularity with young voters, but clearly his whole base is made up of Facebook activists. Everyone that would have voted for Sanders, already voted for him in the Primary. The theory that he would sway independents is largely false. The democratic turnout has been low in general for the primary. Meaning democrats seen no point in voting, they see Clinton being their candidate already.

So even with most democrats staying at home, and most Bernie supporters out there voting, he still trails, by a decent amount. And this is against Clinton which is the issue. She is a shit democratic candidate, probably be a better republican candidate. She is under investigation, she has had nothing but bad press from before the primary started up until about a month ago when the final nails went into the Bernie coffin anyway.

Admit it, he is an interesting experiment, but he'd have no chance in the General. There would be no magic voter turnout more than he sees already.

[Nadiru]

Yeah genius, a sepatagenerian socialist polling 15 times as strongly as any socialist has ever done and actually topping the presidential polls, fighting billions of dollars of wall st money against a former secretary of state and wife of a president, with individual $10 donations from the public, is "pretty bad". That's an amazing redefinition of "pretty bad".

So when the Empire blows up Yavin IV, what will you do?

[hrugner]

Obama finished roughly 100 delegates ahead of Clinton in the last one that went the wire. She didnt contest the convention. Kerry finished far ahead of Edwards in 04, who dropped out in March after getting crushed on Super Tuesday. Gore didn't have any real competition in 2000.

The competition is irregular 51% in 08 is really close. Then it's 61%, 85%, 52%, 42%(3way), 38%(3way), 51%(2way). So Clinton is sitting at 54% of the pledged delegates at the moment, that's hardly a runaway success for Clinton or a smashing defeat for Sanders. In fact, for a 2 way, it's pretty normal. Sanders can stay at least the extra month or so more that Hillary ran without it being even abnormal.

[Dextroden]

Yeah science and the critical process just totally suck, dude. Go find your friend Beavis.

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Yeah genius, a sepatagenerian socialist polling 15 times as strongly as any socialist has ever done and actually topping the presidential polls, fighting billions of dollars of wall st money against a former secretary of state and wife of a president, with individual $10 donations from the public, is "pretty bad". That's an amazing redefinition of "pretty bad".

I like math myself. It makes it fun to explain to people that their lame duck candidate has no chance of victory.

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Admit it, he is an interesting experiment, but he'd have no chance in the General. There would be no magic voter turnout more than he sees already.

I don't know what you mean by "admit it". I am on record here as having a mild preference for Trump being elected.

I don't know what you mean by "he'd have no chance in the general". He is massively ahead in hypothetical polls vs Trump. The only factor that has historically skewed electoral polls to the extent where a candidate could possibly lose from Sanders position would be the "shy tory" factor, which isn't in play here. Subjective analysis is historically useless as a predictor of anything.

[Kontinuum]

I must admit it would be fun to watch Bernie get clobbered by Republicans.

[BuckSparkles]

I must admit it would be fun to watch Bernie get clobbered by Republicans.

Eh it would be fun if Trump beats Clinton.

She can go to the grave knowing she will never be the first female president.

Her tears will be delicious.

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Admit it, he is an interesting experiment, but he'd have no chance in the General. There would be no magic voter turnout more than he sees already.

Well... If Hillary supporters are such loyal Democrats, and Sanders would be the nominee, then obviously they'd all vote for Sanders instead of allowing Trump to win. However, Sanders takes independents by a landslide. Hillary doesn't get the independent vote. So... Since a lot of Sanders voters will, in fact, stay home, or even vote for Trump if Hillary is the nominee, it's blatantly obvious Sanders would get more votes against Trump than Hillary.

The only way Hillary could win is if Republicans vote for her. However, Trump has, against all odds, unified the Republican party. So, there goes that chance.

It's obvious Sanders is more electable against Trump. The Democratic ship will sink with Hillary.

[zEmini]

As much as I would take Bernie over Trump or Hillary; he certainly has a lot of fairy tale beliefs. Some of his beliefs and policies would bankrupt the US. He also seems too have some hatred for the successful and capitalism...or at least most of the Bernie boys do.

[BrerBear]

However, Sanders takes independents by a landslide. Hillary doesn't get the independent vote.

As I just posted, Hillary won more than twice as many open primaries as Sanders. Guess the independents didn't really go to bat for the ol' Bern.

The only thing more fun than watching her win will be to come back and rub it in your face in November.

[triplesdsu]

The competition is irregular 51% in 08 is really close. Then it's 61%, 85%, 52%, 42%(3way), 38%(3way), 51%(2way). So Clinton is sitting at 54% of the pledged delegates at the moment, that's hardly a runaway success for Clinton or a smashing defeat for Sanders. In fact, for a 2 way, it's pretty normal. Sanders can stay at least the extra month or so more that Hillary ran without it being even abnormal.

He can stay in. Don't think I've said otherwise. But continuing his campaign doesn't mean it isn't essentially over. The idea that Hillary will get less than 35% of the vote in CA and NJ (where she is predicted to win) is absurd . That's all that matters. Super-delegates arent going to overturn the will of the voters and closing the gap in "garbage time" doesn't matter.

[Dextroden]

Well... If Hillary supporters are such loyal Democrats, and Sanders would be the nominee, then obviously they'd all vote for Sanders instead of allowing Trump to win. However, Sanders takes independents by a landslide. Hillary doesn't get the independent vote. So... Since a lot of Sanders voters will, in fact, stay home, or even vote for Trump if Hillary is the nominee, it's blatantly obvious Sanders would get more votes against Trump than Hillary.

The only way Hillary could win is if Republicans vote for her. However, Trump has, against all odds, unified the Republican party. So, there goes that chance.

It's obvious Sanders is more electable against Trump. The Democratic ship will sink with Hillary.

The most electable candidate...who is steady losing to someone people overdramatically referred to as a demon.

You know who else was supposed to win in a landslide? Romney. Too bad Obama rigged the election.

[Zeth Hawkins]

Yeah. And the choice of going to Fox News had NO agenda behind it. There were 28 debates in 2008 between Obama and Clinton. How many on Fox News? 1.2.3....ZERO. They are a propaganda wing for the right. You don't let them control a debate. Unless of course you are losing by a historic margin and are hoping they will throw every dirty trick in the book at your opponent.

So is it aluminum foil, or tin foil?

[BuckSparkles]

I actually applaud Bernies bravery for trying to set up a fox news debate.

Clinton, on the other hand, would never be seen on TV being asked tough questions...

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The most electable candidate...who is steady losing to someone people overdramatically referred to as a demon.

Yeah, the vote is something like 46% 54% at the moment. However, a lot of independents have not gotten to vote. And then there's all the fun hijinks of the DNC.