Number of waves/souls in Mythic Gorefiend Soul Phase?

[Jadora]

Fairly simple question that I am having a hard time finding out: How many waves and how many Unstable Souls per wave are there during the Soul Phase? Thanks in advance!

[Adramelch]

Fairly simple question that I am having a hard time finding out: How many waves and how many Unstable Souls per wave are there during the Soul Phase? Thanks in advance!

You mean Shadow of Death waves? If so, you have 4x2 DPS, 2x2 Healer and 2x1 Tank per phase 1.
It generally comes in that order:

DPS wave 1 (x2), 3 seconds into the phase
Tank wave 1, 9 seconds into the phase
Healer wave 1 (x2), 20 seconds into the phase
DPS wave 2 (x2), 30 seconds
DPS wave 3 (x2), 57 seconds
Healer wave 2 (x2), 1.06
Tank wave 2, 1.09
DPS wave 4 (x2), 1.24

That's the approximate timings, and I've given you the timing where each role gets the shadow of death debuff (so they go in 5 seconds after that).

[Jadora]

Nope I meant unstable souls during the soul phase =)

[Chuckadoodle]

More than enough for 20 people to go and grab one with a few left over for tanks to soak prior to transitioning back to "phase 1"

[Jadora]

Still not answering what should be a straightforward question...

[Deleted]

I don't think anyone has counted nor have they felt the need to. My guild often was left with 2-3 waves souls to be soaked by a tank after everyone else had taken theirs, but it varied.

[Jadora]

Thats cool, I still need an answer to the question asked, not reason why I shouldn't need to ask it.

[Jellospally]

Thats cool, I still need an answer to the question asked, not reason why I shouldn't need to ask it.

I mean you could not be a prick about it. There is about 5 extra. Like do you really need to know more? You don't just keep posting saying I still need a answer to my question no reason I should have to ask it over and over... or ......not answering a straight forward question!?!?! when it has been answered just not in an EXACT number when that number wont matter.

People overthink bosses when its so simple.

They spawn in random locations and amounts during the phase. The amount is the same just how much spawns during X seconds isn't the same every pull though.

Edit: Here I took a few seconds to look at logs... man this is hard I know right? Unstable Souls: 20 different ones in many logs with full feast phases. Guess there is 20. Man thats like 4-6 extra depending if you send extra people down on purpose. WOAH man that took 30 seconds of looking at logs fuck.

[Jadora]

Or, and here's a thought, when someone asks for a simple answer to a simple question, it might be prickish to repeatedly tell the person 1.) answer to a completely different question, 2.) a non-answer that happens to be related to the question, 3.) tell the person why their question doesn't matter and they don't really need the answer, 4.) tell the person they are being an unreasonable prick for asking a simple question and expecting a simple answer.

Crazy, I know right? Guess it's my fault for hoping to get a simple answer to a simple question.

They spawn in random locations and amounts during the phase. The amount is the same just how much spawns during X seconds isn't the same every pull though.

They spawn 1 by 1 up until X number has spawned, then they wait a few seconds, then they spawn 1 by 1 again. Repeat Y times until phase ends. All I wanted to know is what the X and Y numbers are, but clearly that was too much to ask.

[squee666]

Or, and here's a thought, when someone asks for a simple answer to a simple question, it might be prickish to repeatedly tell the person 1.) answer to a completely different question, 2.) a non-answer that happens to be related to the question, 3.) tell the person why their question doesn't matter and they don't really need the answer, 4.) tell the person they are being an unreasonable prick for asking a simple question and expecting a simple answer.

Crazy, I know right? Guess it's my fault for hoping to get a simple answer to a simple question.

maybe prickish when you
1/2 phrase the question poorly on something thats obscure in the first place and expect perfect answers
3 tell people who answer that them helping is invalid because its not exact
4: asking a question so simple and honestly unexpected that no one has ever bothered asking it before

But hey no problem it was a question so simple only a simple minded person could think of asking it

[Jadora]

Gotcha, future reference: Do not expect people on the mmo forums to be able to help answer a simple question because their high functioning minds are too lofty to help. Got it!

"How many apples are in a bushel?"

1. There are 12 apples in a dozen.

"Um ok, I need to know how many are in a bushel though"

2. I had a lot of apples in a bushel.

"That doesn't really answer my question..."

3. What kind of question is that? Just buy a bushel and don't worry about it!

"Umm thanks? I just need to know how many apples are in a bushel..."

4. You're being a prick, don't expect people on a bushel forum to help answer bushel related questions.

"Yea I'm the one being a prick.."

5. Only an idiot doesn't know how many apples are in a bushel, we are too smart to stoop as low to answer your dumb questions on a forum about bushels and bushel accessories.

"...Right"

[Deja Thoris]

Heres the thing, people generally want to understand the reason for the question.

Now sure you want an answer of "exactly x" but it's just pointless neckbearding because what matters is "theres enough plus a couple extra" - so it relates to point 3) in your post. If trying to dig a bit deeper is being prickish then being such a stickler for an exact answer to an irrelevant question is being pedantic.

[Jadora]

If trying to dig a bit deeper is being prickish then being such a stickler for an exact answer to an irrelevant question is being pedantic.

At no point did anyone ask why I needed to know, they just flat out told me I am stupid for wanting to know and it doesnt matter.

And just FYI, I want to know because my guild is having trouble spreading out the explosions so I want an exact number in order to space them out better.

[squee666]

Gotcha, future reference: Do not expect people on the mmo forums to be able to help answer a simple question because their high functioning minds are too lofty to help. Got it!

"How many apples are in a bushel?"

1. There are 12 apples in a dozen.

"Um ok, I need to know how many are in a bushel though"

2. I had a lot of apples in a bushel.

"That doesn't really answer my question..."

3. What kind of question is that? Just buy a bushel and don't worry about it!

"Umm thanks? I just need to know how many apples are in a bushel..."

4. You're being a prick, don't expect people on a bushel forum to help answer bushel related questions.

"Yea I'm the one being a prick.."

5. Only an idiot doesn't know how many apples are in a bushel, we are too smart to stoop as low to answer your dumb questions on a forum about bushels and bushel accessories.

"...Right"

except you started with

Fairly simple question that I am having a hard time finding out: How many waves and how many Unstable Souls per wave are there during the Soul Phase? Thanks in advance!

you didnt even accurately ask the question in the first place hence why post n2 could have been a perfectly valid answer

[Deja Thoris]

At no point did anyone ask why I needed to know, they just flat out told me I am stupid for wanting to know and it doesnt matter.

And just FYI, I want to know because my guild is having trouble spreading out the explosions so I want an exact number in order to space them out better.

Jello kind of addressed that. They never come at exactly the same intervals nor in consistent waves. Sometimes there are two and sometimes 3 in a "wave"

[Chuckadoodle]

At no point did anyone ask why I needed to know, they just flat out told me I am stupid for wanting to know and it doesnt matter.

And just FYI, I want to know because my guild is having trouble spreading out the explosions so I want an exact number in order to space them out better.

You cant space them out, use Angry Assignments and have groups of 2 or 3 go out and soak until everyone you want to clear the debuff clears then have the tanks finish the extras. It is not every 5 seconds 3 spawn center left and right. Some times 3 spawn some times 2 spawn with the third a second or two later. We keep myself a bear tank out on the periphery to intercept what I call the odd spawn, sometimes you get that one that is getting to close to the group as 2 DPS are derping off to a side looking for theirs and I intercept it to prevent damage.

[xcess]

Well if you tried hard enough you could watch the millions of kill videos and count it yourself? yeah i dont think this is a problem for most guilds and out of all the gorefiend threads i dont think i see ppl asking since that phase is pretty straightforward. You should all be stacked and have teams to go out and get it. Even my guilds first time getting to feast yoloed it and still managed to not screw it up. You also prolly have a couple ppl who want to keep their debuff too. If you can get past first phase, the feast phase should be no problem

[Detritivores]

I've been told roughly 6 waves of roughly 3 souls each, but that doesn't seem accurate to me in practice and I suspect there are significant random elements to the spawn pattern (and a couple more than 18 total. Knowing this isn't really going to help you space them out better though, and I think that's part of the reason for "dickish" answers.

We assign groups of 3 people at a time to go clear their debuffs. It's on each small group to have the situational awareness to not decimate the raid and stagger their explosions, not unlike breaking shackles on Archi. It's pointless to try to micromanage that beyond sending a few at a time and expecting them to have enough sense to stagger the explosions.

Edit: The first time we saw a feast, we hadn't even hashed out our plan for it, 100% yolod it, cleared all the debuffs we needed to and kept everyone up. We're not the greatest or anything by any means, but I am very suspicious that you might be mistaking a healing throughput / cd setup problem for a "staggering explosions" problem. Just a thought.

[xcess]

I guess its possible if some are not soaked then that could shorten the phase early and spawn less

[Nitros14]

If you space them out, aren't you causing them to hit the boss? They have to be soaked and have to explode or the feast will shorten. You don't want that.