So...How hard are the WoD Challenge Mode Golds?

[thedrummar]

Hey MMOC forumgoers,
I was hoping to source some opinions on the difficulty level of WoD Challenge Mode Gold. For reference, I completed all gold in MoP with my lock, but only in the SoO patch, when gear got inflated with gems and it made CM's much easier. I'm hoping to start CM golds soon with my lock.

How do the WoD Challenge modes compare for difficulty?

Thanks!

[Deleted]

Get a couple of DPS (or even a tank) with Mirror of the Blademaster and single pull every run. No hassle, no fuss.

[Fynzie]

the more mirror of the blademaster you have, the easier it is, but wod cms are way harder than the mop ones after T14 if you do it regular

[TrollShaman]

If you don't have a Hunter or Enhancement Shaman, you're going to make it a lot harder basically and it's only partially because they can utilize the mirror of the blademaster.

[PuppetShowJustice]

The WoD ones have much more strict time limits. It's harder to find a group than it is to actually do them. I'm currently sitting at all but one of them finished because my group disbanded before we finished the docks.

I will say that Everbloom kind of sucks because of having to jump up the hills which is kind of finicky. And Blackrock Spire kind of sucks because it's long.

[Deleted]

With guild groups where the people know their class, a few invisibility potions, rest of the buff consumables and a few attempts you can get gold on any of them within 5-20 attempts without paying that much attention to group comp.

When you have decided which one you're running just go to youtube and find a fast gold run of the place and watch it as a group, see what they skip, where they use their invis pots, if they use any skips and adapt their strategies to your group. And remember you have the reset button, if you know you cannot clear the place in time, or people die to like the first few packs (Skyreach will make this happen at least once) just reset.

I wouldn't call them any harder than raiding, you just need to have everyone know (approximately) what they are doing.

[Amantino]

As long as you gear properly and take it somewhat serious (pots, food, enchants etc) it's not very hard. Don't ignore mechanics and have a competent group who is able to count from 1 to 4. This is a lot to expect if you plan to play with a full PUG, playing with friends is recommended (makes it more fun too, imo).

[NoiseTank13]

Only as hard as your wallet.

[Thrif]

If you hit up a PuG and go in yoloing, it will be quite challenging.

If you do extensive pre-planning and assembles the right classes with the right gear, read up on some guides and makes sure everyone knows exactly what they are doing and are supposed to be doing, it's a walk in the park.

[Bathory]

It's harder to find a group than it is to actually do them

This. My guild isn't running em, and i've been using Openraid but haven't had much luck.

[Halobob87]

They are not THAT hard, harder then mop one for sure (couse timers and the fact that u can't stack sockets), but u just need to know the istances very well (pulls, bosses and tricks). If u overextend some pulls too much, things can go horribly wrong and you are going to wipe hard, unless u have very strong dps. Be prepered and u will be fine.
U don't need best comps or bis gear just to hit the gold timer, all u need is something around 24k overeal dps. Yes, ofc with some comps and specs (ret pala, Spriest and both druid dps specs sucks a lot in cm) some istance will be a lot harder, but u can still do them (but, anyway, u will probably need an hunter or a shaman, if u can't reflect things, some istance will be really hard, like grimrail, + never go with 3 melee dos).
One last thing: do it with friends, u are going to have pretty bad time if u don't already have 8/8 gold with pugs.

[PBitt]

A blood DK tank makes them a whole lot easier, particularly because of grip. Dark sim has it's uses as well. If you're looking for an easy run, start there. My group did it with a fairly terrible comp; we did have shaman and hunter but our other three were prot warr, disc priest and ret pally and we managed to go 8/8 just fine. It just takes some practice runs to really get the pulls down and you will be amazed at how fast you improve.

There is a forum on the official forums where people post their class/spec, time available etc and leave their btag to form groups with each other.

[Wilderness]

You don't need any specific classes or comp to get golds. Most of the timers aren't really tight, and you don't need crazy pulls to get it done. It does help a lot if you have watched a video or two to see what ways you can cut out time in each instance, but if you pull quickly and handle mechanics well you will get your golds. Pull at a decent pace and try to get through without mistakes. If you do that, you'll either get gold or see how much time you have to cut off, and then you can figure out where you can combine a couple packs or shave off a bit of time. If you are trying to mimic what people racing for time do with their pulls, then you will waste a lot of your time getting it right.

Now, that's not to say that jumping into a random pug will be easy, because those random people could be idiots or have no idea what they are doing. But getting gold is not very hard if a group takes a little bit of research ahead of time and know their classes somewhat. You can also make things easier on yourself with certain classes or comps - especially a blood DK tank who knows what they are doing, but its not needed.

[Bill Cypher]

Easy to do hard to find a group.

[Darkmech]

@PuppetShowJustice if you only have Docks to go for your 8/8 hit me up on battlenet - Darkmech#1896
I'll get you your docks gold done so you're finished.

For OP WOD cm's require a bit more co-ordination than the MOP cm's but once your group has the strats down things become so much easier. A DK tank makes things another lvl easier again and taking a hunter and shaman with reflects again increases the cheese.

I would suggest posting here http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20419013532 The thread is up to number 7 now so plenty of people still looking for CM's.

If you feel up to it I would start your own group also - plenty of people want to do them but no one wants to take charge. Watch some youtube videos to get the strats - find one you like - make a group - get everyone to watch it and pew pew =)

Best of luck!

[Pippo89]

They're easier than the MoP Challenge modes. There are no crazy pulls like in Mogu'shan Palace (everything including the first boss) or Siege of Niuzao Temple (third boss).

The more Blademaster trinkets you have, the better. The damage dealers from my guild happened to be a Hunter, Enhancement Shaman and Feral Druid, everyone with that trinket.

Despite those trinkets, achieving Gold still was an interesting experience, and I wouldn't call them easy.

Tried to run on my alt protection paladin, with a Mistweaver healer. Those classes feel so weak when scaled down. My Protection Warrior played almost the same, defensive-wise. So the participating classes may be affected more or less.

[CaptRik]

Getting all silvers basically involves not wiping however my group of 5 that do them regularly haven't yet achieved any golds. We're 1min or so away from a couple of them. It's heavily comp-based, our comp isn't ideal whatsoever but we're trying at least.

[Tech614]

Getting all silvers basically involves not wiping however my group of 5 that do them regularly haven't yet achieved any golds. We're 1min or so away from a couple of them. It's heavily comp-based, our comp isn't ideal whatsoever but we're trying at least.

It's more about optimized strat for golds then comp. Comp is only relevant when going for realm first times.

[Deleted]

I dunno, I found the MoP CMs harder for some reason.

[Tech614]

I dunno, I found the MoP CMs harder for some reason.

From a tank and healer POV definitely, very few things can global you and the healing required is much less.

From a dps perspective, WoDs might be slightly harder seeing as the optimized strats involve more then "big pull, chain stuns, aoe pew pew".