Germany's Merkel says refugees must return home once war is over

[Collegeguy]

I don't think they wanted to travel to a peaceful, familiar place. They want to suckle off Germany's welfare teat. You're not getting them to leave easily.

[Dextroden]

To be fair. It's going to be easier to bring peace to the middle east than to get them to leave. Especially since crying racist is still a thing.

[Trassk]

Wow Merkel, how's that humanitarian award looking now?

"Yes yes, bring all the migrants here, so I can be seen as a humanita.. I mean so we can help them, yes thats right"
"And in latest news, german citizens are forced to give up there homes to refugees, as thousends storm into the country"
"Oh.. urm.. well maybe we might consider lessening the numbers a little...
"this just in, dozens of german woman gang raped by migrant, most of whom are posing as children despite being in their 40s"
"Oh bother.. well, we could look to closing the borders and.."
"And yes, it would appear that the people of germany are looking to hang angela merkel"
"Oh shit.. Okay, lets think about this now, maybe if we stopped war, and send them all back"
"Not likely bitch, allahu akbar"
".. f**k.."

[Deleted]

Which is most likely why a lot of them were permitted to stay.

Would be easier to deport them than deporting hundreds of thousands though.

[Sodia]

To be fair. It's going to be easier to bring peace to the middle east than to get them to leave. Especially since crying racist is still a thing.

This poor woman lern it the Hard weay !!
https://youtu.be/OQoIjPgSaHk

[Oviorasi]

Hasn't happened here. It's stupid to think you'll be able to deport everyone.

You don't have to deport them. Just take away the welfare and any ability to get a job and they will leave. Wish we could do that to our illegals in the US.

[Arrashi]

She stated something that normally would be obvious. Statements like that don't help her situation in any way.

[Noradin]

Why is this worth a thread?
Refugees are expected to return once war is over.
It has been that way ever since states first signed international treaties to grant refugee status.

[Deleted]

This is nothing new. The refugee's were always going to get send back (minus the ones that get to stay because they got Residency Permits, Citizenship and so on)

In the 90's Germany gave over 350 000 Bosnians Refugee statues. The majority have gone back and now we have roughly 20 000 who are still living here because they applied for Residency, Citizenship.

Edit: Found a graph but its 14 years out of date.
http://www.efms.uni-bamberg.de/graphics/d27_2bv_d.gif

[Noradin]

Meanwhile, all the refugees will have babies born on EU turf and have legal reasons to stay... such is the commonly abused method. Why break tradition?

Doesn't work that way in the "old world".
Being born does not automatically grant you citizen rights in the country it happens to take place.

[Collegeguy]

You don't have to deport them. Just take away the welfare and any ability to get a job and they will leave. Wish we could do that to our illegals in the US.

It can be done. Secretly, both parties have interests of never getting it done.

[owbu]

While I think, that that wont really happen, since germany kinda needs those immigrants, because we apparently suck at having babies, and all this is mostly a way to keep people calm, until the mass immigration waves are over (and maybe make refugees think twice, before they try to take the pretty dangerous journey), this doesnt seem like a big change in policy to me.

Merkel said that sending people back into war zones is against everything european values stand for, therefore we have to let them in.
I dont think anything was ever said about "we can take in the whole world forever". And I dont think that would have anything to do with european values either.

[Oviorasi]

Doesn't work that way in the "old world".
Being born does not automatically grant you citizen rights in the country it happens to take place.

My understanding that the concept of anchor babies is mostly unique to the US among western countries. Due to a misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment.

[ShuraEU]

You don't have to deport them. Just take away the welfare and any ability to get a job and they will leave. Wish we could do that to our illegals in the US.

You wish, if you did that they would just resort to more crimes than they already do. Why do you think so many of them have criminal records? Because they would rather steal and beat people up than go "home", because they know our fucking politicans won't do jackshit.

[Shadowmelded]

Would be easier to deport them than deporting hundreds of thousands though.

Different circumstances. A smaller group of people are easier to integrate and less likely/capable of forming communes.

[Forogil]

Why is this worth a thread?
Refugees are expected to return once war is over.
It has been that way ever since states first signed international treaties to grant refugee status.

Not always. The refugee convention states that refugees can get a new nationality - and thus cease to be refugees, as well as ceasing to be refugees if the original reason disappeared.

So, it's usually a mix of temporary and permanent; and this is tied into family reunification (it makes sense to bring the family over if you are a permanent citizen - but less so if you are only in eu temporarily).

Both Denmark and Sweden have recently switched the focus from permanent towards temporary asylum.

[Noradin]

Not always. The refugee convention states that refugees can get a new nationality - and thus cease to be refugees, as well as ceasing to be refugees if the original reason disappeared.

Exactly, they can get a new nationality, but that isn't up to them. They do not have any rights to demand one.

[Forogil]

Exactly, they can get a new nationality, but that isn't up to them. They do not have any rights to demand one.

That's true - but the point is whether Germany wants them to get a German nationality or not; and it might be that Merkel have changed her position in that question.

[Forogil]

I am pretty pro-refugee and shit but how is that even slightly upsetting, it would be more upsetting if ya didn't let them go back. Just let them make the choice.

No-one is suggesting preventing them from leaving as far I know, but the word "must" in the subject-line implies lack of choice.

[Deleted]

There is a difference between expecting people to leave and to command them to return.

The news actually is about Merkel saying she thinks most refugees will return to syria once the war is over, and not about the idea she could command the german police squads to send them back.