Why can't the Lich King use the Scourge against the Legion?

[Julmara]

cause hes cold ... as ice !

[mytheiya]

There is no reason why Bolvar cannot eventually turn the scourge against the Legion..The only reason why he hasn't turned the undead against Azzeroths enemies is becausehe has to learn how to use all his new abilities..unlike his predecessors who sort of had teachers.

[Soeroah]

Simplest answer I can think of: it's not so much he can control the Scourge as an extension of himself, it's more he's able to restrain their instincts and keep them at bay.

If he unleashed them they likely wouldn't distinguish friend from foe, and it'd just be another thing to worry about.

I do think it'd be awesome having all the species of Azeroth, including the Scourge, fighting against the Legion at some point, though. I'm a sucker for massive team-ups across factions with a history of war.

[Verdugo]

I'm a sucker for massive team-ups across factions with a history of war.

I am not, so I am quite content with Bolvar, being the bitch without willpower, just sitting on his half-melted throne until someone comes and destroys that helm once and for all.

[Mysterymask]

Aren't the DKs...kinda the scourge in a way? especially if they are now under Bolvar's service...

[Wilian]

Here you go

https://youtu.be/Ic7npvyfCag?t=1891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBerOh0DGwE

A worthy attempt, but futile. The first link is easily dismissed as LKs willingness to partake as it is part of his grand plan as Kel'thuzad very much points out while the second one is part of excersing that grand plan with no direct indication that LK wouldn't have direct control over the Scourge still and for now lets the Legion use it as seen proper while the whole thing is being undermined.

[Deleted]

I don't think Bolvar is powerful enough to lead the Scourge, after all, he is the Jailor of the Damned not the Ruler of the Damned. I don't think there is any room for Bolvar to use the Scourge as a weapon against the Legion after the willpower he is exerting just to keep them from going on a mindless rampage.

He is exactly how Morgraine described him to be: Dormant.

This. The Arthas lich king could have used the scourge vs the legion, but Bolvar is just a puppet whose job is to barely keep the undead in control. He isn't strong enough to keep the scourge under control AND use it to his benefit vs the legion. He would undoubtebly lose control to some dreadlords at least partially.

[Combatbutler]

A worthy attempt, but futile. The first link is easily dismissed as LKs willingness to partake as it is part of his grand plan as Kel'thuzad very much points out while the second one is part of excersing that grand plan with no direct indication that LK wouldn't have direct control over the Scourge still and for now lets the Legion use it as seen proper while the whole thing is being undermined.

Not really the dreadlords did control the mindless scourge, or to be more precise tichondrius, which is why they used Illidan to kill him so the lk could eventually get it back.

It is always about power, when the lk weakened the three Nathrezim brothers could take control over portions of the scourge and since there are demons in the legion, which are far more powerful than the Lich King using the mindless masses of the scourge against them might not be such a good idea.

[Wilian]

Not really the dreadlords did control the mindless scourge, or to be more precise tichondrius, which is precisely why they used Illidan to kill him so the lk could eventually get it back.

It is always about power, when the lk weakened the three Nathrezim brothers could take control over portions of the scourge and since there are demons in the legion, which are far more powerful than the Lich King using the mindless masses of the scourge against them might not be such a good idea.

The undead were still used by Legion after Tichondriouses death so him as sole controller doesn't simply fly. There's no indication whatsoever that LK ever actually lost the control of his undead rather than gave the usage of them willingly for the time being as it suited his own plans as indicated in the first video.

[Combatbutler]

The undead were still used by Legion after Tichondriouses death so him as sole controller doesn't simply fly. There's no indication whatsoever that LK ever actually lost the control of his undead rather than gave the usage of them willingly for the time being as it suited his own plans as indicated in the first video.

The Lich king knew quite well he had a snowballs chance in hell to confront his creators and since he later did loose control over vast amounts of undead to the dreadlords, is evidence enough that strong demons can take away his minions, if they are powerful enough.

[Friendlyimmolation]

What Kil'jaeden didn't know is that Ner'Zhul was pissed and able to keep his own will

KJ knew he still had free will, he just used fear to keep him in line, and free will was fine because the lich king wasn't going anywhere.

There is no reason why Bolvar cannot eventually turn the scourge against the Legion..The only reason why he hasn't turned the undead against Azzeroths enemies is because he has to control them without Frostmourne and he has to learn how to use all his new abilities..unlike his predecessors who sort of had teachers.

The helm of Domination controls the scourge, not the blade.

Theories state that Kil'jaeden forged the sword from saronite which as we know is the frozen blood of the old god.

thats some pretty bad" theories" It was forged in the twisting nether, and not by KJ . By Nathrezim

[Rathbourne]

There is no reason why Bolvar cannot eventually turn the scourge against the Legion..The only reason why he hasn't turned the undead against Azzeroths enemies is because he has to control them without Frostmourne and he has to learn how to use all his new abilities..unlike his predecessors who sort of had teachers.

Remember...Kil'Jaeden took Ner'Zhul's soul and shattered it, twisted it back together bound it to some armor, frostmourne, and the frozen throne and made him the Litch King.

What Kil'jaeden didn't know is that Ner'Zhul was pissed and able to keep his own will, so in defiance of the legion he thrust up Frostmourne from the frozen throne and lured poor Arthus to the job. Ner'Zhul unfortunately couldn't keep Arthus along his path of vengeance against the legion. Many believe the reason was because Frostmourne whisper/corrupted Arthus into doing Yogg Saron's bidding. Theories state that Kil'jaeden forged the sword from saronite which as we know is the frozen blood of the old god.

Bolvar doesn't have Frostmourne ..and Kil'Jaeden hasn't really had power over the litch king since Ner'zhul defied him. Technically The Frozen Throne can be still controlled..but it really doesn't have the power that it once held over the Litch King due to the banishment of its creator, and I'm pretty sure Bolvar would kick how ever was tryign to control him in the Gnads and laugh. Therefore, Bolvar can pretty much be his own type of Litch King who sends off his undead army to fight for Azeroth, not against it.

Im sorry but its difficult to take you seriously.....

[Deleted]

It makes no sense that the Lich King wont sent his army to fight the Legion, due to powerful demons being able to control them or whatever, when the Lich King created his army to fight the Legion..

[Friendlyimmolation]

It makes no sense that the Lich King wont sent his army to fight the Legion, due to powerful demons being able to control them or whatever, when the Lich King created his army to fight the Legion..

when even a council of dreadlords was able to hijack the legion, it makes sense why he isnt throwing his undead everywhere.

[Deleted]

Er its stated by Darion that the ebon blade gave themselves to the lich king because he WAS going to unleash the scourge on the legion. In return for serving the lich king in the fight against the legion he won't unleash the scourge and they also get awesome weapons to fight them with that was the deal.

Most likely because of the collateral damage this would cause considering that bolvar is quite eeer amoral right now.

[Kallisto]

Add to that my theory that Ner'zhul still exists inside the helmet, and is working his control to get bolvar. Bolvar was not only as strong if not stronger as Arthas was as a paladin, he was also infused with the red dragonflights fire. As we have seen before, that fire has a lot of magical properties to it. Now the Lich King is infused with this power.

Ner'zhul was destroyed. Arthas book + blue posts confirm this. Are you going to argue against that with useless head canon?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Er its stated by Darion that the ebon blade gave themselves to the lich king because he WAS going to unleash the scourge on the legion. In return for serving the lich king in the fight against the legion he won't unleash the scourge and they also get awesome weapons to fight them with that was the deal.

Most likely because of the collateral damage this would cause considering that bolvar is quite eeer amoral right now.

Then Bolvar is horrendously stupid, which is a shame for the position he has, unless Blizzard makes the dread lords retarded, they will just take the scourge from him.

[Arrashi]

I am not, so I am quite content with Bolvar, being the bitch without willpower, just sitting on his half-melted throne until someone comes and destroys that helm once and for all.

Oh come on, don't you want to see power of friendship prevail as anduin, bolvar, go'el, vol'jin and jaina combine their powers and create captain azeroth ?

[Friendlyimmolation]

Oh come on, don't you want to see power of friendship prevail as anduin, bolvar, go'el, vol'jin and jaina combine their powers and create captain azeroth ?

With the powers of air! fire! Water! Heart! and incredible violence!

[Deleted]

when the Lich King created his army to fight the Legion..

Not really, no. The Scourge was created to be the new Legion fodder army, not to attack the Legion.

We can't forget that it were Kil'jaeden and the Dreadlords that created the Lich King and his armaments in the first place. The Dreadlords can control undead, just look at Balnazzar's Risen.